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Author:  NSJ [ Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Bulls 2012-2013 Season
I think the Bulls will repeat in the Central, have the best record in the East and contend very seriously for the NBA title.
Author:  beni hanna [ Thu May 17, 2012 11:55 am ]
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A Decent read by Sam Smith. I'll give the Bulls stuff for next year. Other thoughts aren't horrible.
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_120514.html

...As for the Bulls, there are going to be a lot of hard decisions going forward even assuming Rose does recover well and quickly. One is the payroll, which already is around the projected luxury tax line. Will the Bulls spend into the luxury tax even if they aren’t sure how much of next season Rose can play? Should they? It wouldn’t seem to make sense. The tax is estimated at about $70 million. Here’s a look at next season’s payroll already committed:

Derrick Rose...... $16,402,550
Carlos Boozer.....$15,000,000
Luol Deng..........$13,305,000
Joakim Noah.......$11,300,000
Richard Hamilton .$5,000,000
Taj Gibson..........$2,155,811
Jimmy Butler.......$1,066,920
........................$64,230,281

That doesn’t include the team options for Kyle Korver, Ronnie Brewer and C.J. Watson, which total $12,570,000. And then there’s restricted free agent Omer Asik, whom the Bulls want to retain and might have to match an offer up to $5,000,000. So if the Bulls bring back just this core group, they are well into the luxury tax. Certainly things can change with trades. Maybe someone takes Hamilton’s salary as it is for one year and a small buyout, which could leave room for someone else. You have to be under the salary cap to recruit a top free agent. Even if the Bulls amnesty a player, they would not be far enough under to go for a top free agent. They could use their mid-level exception of about $5 million, but that brings in luxury tax considerations and makes that player cost $10 million, in effect. Currently, the Bulls are third in the NBA behind Miami and barely behind the Lakers for the most payroll committed for next season.

Here’s a look at the roster:

Derrick Rose: He had his surgery over the weekend and no one can say for sure when he’ll return or how it will work. The estimates range from Christmas to being out all season. Even when Rose returns, the history of ACL injuries is you don’t regain your full level until the following season.
Chance to return: 100 percent

Joakim Noah: He’ll play in the Olympics for France and his sprained ankle should be fine, though the Bulls believed after he was hurt he’d be out a month. His name will come up in trade rumors (here comes the Dwight Howard stuff again in July), but he’s still the defensive heart of the team. “I personally believe this group can compete against anybody, the Heat, anybody,” said Noah. “Derrick is going to come back. Like Thibodeau always says, ‘We are very privileged people doing what we love to. Let’s go out there, get better this summer. Come back hungrier than ever and make a run.’” Noah was the team’s leading playoff scorer with Rose out, though Noah only played three games.
Chance to return: 85 percent

Carlos Boozer: It was another disappointing last game. Boozer averaged 13.5 points and 9.8 rebounds on 42 percent shooting in the playoffs. He had a big Game 5 and then poor Game 6. His salary makes him basically untradeable in this new more frugal NBA era and he will not be part of amnesty. “I just want to come back a better player all around, inside and out, offensively and defensively, a better leader. Continue to improve as a player,” said Boozer.
Chance to return: 95 percent

Luol Deng: He’ll play for England in the Olympics and said he will then decide whether to have surgery to repair his torn wrist ligaments. Deng has been upset people have questioned him playing in the Olympics, given England gave his family shelter from the war in Sudan. If he has surgery, he probably won’t return until December. His name will come up in trade rumors as well, though because of the uncertainty about his surgery, there is less chance of anything happening. Still, he won’t be out that long. He averaged 14 points and 8.3 rebounds in the series with the 76ers, though he had a big final game.
Chance to return: 80 percent

Richard Hamilton: He was injured more than half the season amidst questions about whether he was pacing himself for the playoffs. He did average 13 points in just 28 minutes as the team leader per 48 minutes other than Rose. But it seemed coach Thibodeau never became comfortable with him after all the regular season time lost and he sat out numerous fourth quarters.
Chance to return: 50 percent

Taj Gibson: He averaged 9.5 points and 6.5 rebounds in the playoffs, both above his season averages, and displayed the aggressive play that was a team trademark. He is up for an extension and has one more season until he becomes a restricted free agent when he’ll be in high demand.
Chance to return: 90 percent

Jimmy Butler: The rookie didn’t play much this season and just four minutes in the playoffs. But the Bulls are high on him and have him targeted for the rotation next season off the bench.
Chance to return: 95 percent

Ronnie Brewer: He had an up and down playoffs, falling out of the rotation one game and then having a big Game 5. He is probably most vulnerable not to have his option picked up, as Butler plays his sort of defensive, hustling game. “Whatever happens, whatever the management does you have to live with and move on. I’ve enjoyed every minute of it here. The fans welcomed me and the team let me play my game. It would be ideal if they brought me back, but if it was my last game as a Bull, I left it all on the floor. I played as hard as I could every night and I hope everyone remembers me for that. They said they’d do everything they possibly can to bring me back. They are men of their word. All I can do is try to get better for next year and help this team out more than I did this year.”
Chance to return: 15 percent

C.J. Watson: He had a nice season starting 25 games for Rose. He shot a career low from the field, but was good on three pointers. Then he had that disastrous close to Game 6. He shot just 24 percent in the playoffs and 25 percent on threes after almost 40 percent in the regular season. He also is on a team option, though at $3.2 million the lowest of the three among he, Brewer and Korver. “I think we’re fine,” Watson said. “Getting everyone healthy is the key. With Derrick we’re all right to win games offensively and defensively. I’m not sure (what management will do). Hopefully, we’ll all be here to have another run at it. Hopefully, we’ll all be healthy and leave it up to management. Everyone was injured this year. It was a difficult year because we never had a healthy team all year.”
Chance to return: 20 percent

Kyle Korver: He had a good season, ranking in the top 10 in three point shooting again, but suffered a foot injury late in the regular season that worsened in the playoffs and he basically was unable to play in Game 6, though the team declined to discuss specifics. Korver is one of the league’s best perimeter shooters and an improving defender, so there’ll be good a market for him if the Bulls let him go. “We went in every day as a team believing we would win a championship,” said Korver. “We really went for it. We put everything into it every day. So it makes it a really tough finish. This team has a really bright future. Obviously, we need Derrick to come back healthy and strong, which we all think he will. There are some really great pieces. They told me they’d like to bring me back, but (I know) it will come to dollars. It’s a privilege to wear a Bulls uniform. It’s really an honor. I watched the Bulls growing up. To be part of an organization like that is great. The Bulls are first class in every way, great people, organization, culture and a great place to play basketball. Chicago is an amazing place for sports. Obviously, I’d love to be back, but we’ll see.”
Chance to return: 30 percent

Omer Asik: He is a restricted free agent, which means the Bulls can match just about any offer. There are some circumstances in which he can be offered more than a mid-level, though it’s tough to see a team using just about all its cap room on a guy who averaged 3.1 points this season. Though he is more valuable. Assuming the Bulls match, they could consider trading Noah. And Asik along with Brewer and Boozer were the only players to play all 66 games. Though you’d have to get a big scorer to make up for Asik’s lack of offense. It seems too complicated and unlikely.
Chance to return: 80 percent

John Lucas III and Brian Scalabrine are minimum salary free agents, though the Bulls can match on Lucas. He may get a higher guarantee and probably is more likely to be gone than Scalabrine. Though he didn’t play in the playoffs, Mike James would be worth another look as a backup point guard for a minimum if Lucas leaves.
Author:  Mr. Belvidere [ Sat May 19, 2012 9:04 pm ]
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Korver Zero Percent. Ray Allen off the bench?
Author:  IkeSouth [ Tue May 29, 2012 6:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bulls 2012-2013 Season
well, rose aint gonna be back till sometime in 2013.. i mean really, the regular season is hard enough to get excited about but now? my god who gives a fuck. its hardly worth watching until they make it to the 2nd round at this point. who the hell wants to watch a 1st round bow out again? see you guys in may 2013. they almost have enough time to firesale the team and start fresh. ugh.
Author:  Jbi11s [ Tue May 29, 2012 6:26 pm ]
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Hahahahahahaha... The fucking season is over... Central champs? How's the crack NsJ?... Absurd to even think they'll sniff the division title... Deng and rose will miss significant time next year. Rose will be half the player he was... Start thinking about getting a new superstar.
Author:  IkeSouth [ Tue May 29, 2012 9:09 pm ]
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no way. rose is fine. dont listen to dumb burntsteak. at 23 years old, you could shoot the kid in the head and he would still make a full recovery. i thought at first this might change his career too, but no. it wont. his best years are still 2-4 years away. this injury just puts him back a bit. but thats it. he will be more then fine. the reason i think so? because even IF (IF IF IF IF) he cant cut and drive like he used to, his shooting will be stellar. thats the one area of his game everyone wanted to see improve, and it has been. steadily. for his whole short career. there is nothing ive seen that makes me think "he has peaked". on anything he does. its derrik rose. mutherfuckin superstar.

in the meantime, i hope lebron james loses. for my pure enjoyment.
Author:  Jbi11s [ Tue May 29, 2012 9:13 pm ]
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See: Robbie Hummel

You aren't thinking correctly. Rose's knees were everything to his game. You don't fully recover from 2 ligaments torn. The dominant Derrick Rose is done... Im sorry. The sooner you accept this the better... NBA PGs don't come back f/ torn ligaments... Think about squatting down to play defense for 82 games. 82 games mang! Its over.
Author:  Jbi11s [ Tue May 29, 2012 9:17 pm ]
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This isn't to mention the muscle imbalance in his legs when he's towards the end of his recovery... Its just a horrible horrible situation for a kid who would have been one of the best pgs ever if 1. The dumbass lockout didn't force these guys to play 66 games in 120 days or 2. Thibs wasn't his coach...

Really im sorry. Behind Lebron, Derrick was my fav player.
Author:  IkeSouth [ Tue May 29, 2012 9:48 pm ]
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ill bet you a bowl that rose comes back 100%
Author:  Jbi11s [ Tue May 29, 2012 9:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bulls 2012-2013 Season
IkeSouth wrote:
ill bet you a bowl that rose comes back 100%

Define %100 and Ill bet you an 8th of flame...
Author:  IkeSouth [ Tue May 29, 2012 10:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bulls 2012-2013 Season
he will be a legit contender for mvp in the 2013-14 season.
Author:  Jbi11s [ Tue May 29, 2012 10:10 pm ]
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IkeSouth wrote:
he will be a legit contender for mvp in the 2013-14 season.

Sheeeeeit... A 2 year bet? Fine. But he has to finish in Top 3 of voting.
Author:  Mini Ditka [ Tue May 29, 2012 11:07 pm ]
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Boozer may not get amnesty till next year when that would save them the luxury tax money.
Author:  IkeSouth [ Wed May 30, 2012 5:12 pm ]
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Jbi11s wrote:
IkeSouth wrote:
he will be a legit contender for mvp in the 2013-14 season.

Sheeeeeit... A 2 year bet? Fine. But he has to finish in Top 3 of voting.


i know:( but he isnt going to be but maybe 80% next year... maybe come playoff time he will be full strength, but i doubt it and even if he is he wont get mvp votes for 1/3 of a season played. i know next season is going to be rough... but he is 23. just wait. he will be back!
Author:  BD [ Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:19 am ]
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NSJ wrote:
I think the Bulls will repeat in the Central, have the best record in the East and contend very seriously for the NBA title.


If they keep the depth in-place (Watson, Korver and Brewer), which is in question, they will be in a battle for the playoffs, even with the East weak. They do play good defense, and that will continue to be the strength, but they are down 40 points between Rose and Deng (IF Deng joins Rose on the sidelines for several months), and there's not much scoring on this team to begin with outside of Boozer.

It doesn't seem likely that they will be making many (or any) significant moves this off-season so improvement will have to come from last year's #1 pick, and possibly just healther players (ex. if Watson comes back).
Author:  BD [ Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:22 am ]
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Mini Ditka wrote:
Boozer may not get amnesty till next year when that would save them the luxury tax money.


I think it's actually important that Boozer is on the team next season. He's going to be their leading scorer. He has faults in his game, but scoring is the team's biggest deficiency and that's one thing he can provide. Boozer, Hamilton (assuming he's got somehthing left), and guys like Noah/Watson (assuming he's the starting PG) and Gibson will all see plenty of time and will have to contribute on the scoring end as well, but, if there's no Deng as well, Boozer becomes an even more important scoring option.
Author:  Douchebag [ Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:26 am ]
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BD wrote:
NSJ wrote:
I think the Bulls will repeat in the Central, have the best record in the East and contend very seriously for the NBA title.


If they keep the depth in-place (Watson, Korver and Brewer), which is in question, they will be in a battle for the playoffs, even with the East weak. They do play good defense, and that will continue to be the strength, but they are down 40 points between Rose and Deng (IF Deng joins Rose on the sidelines for several months), and there's not much scoring on this team to begin with outside of Boozer.

It doesn't seem likely that they will be making many (or any) significant moves this off-season so improvement will have to come from last year's #1 pick, and possibly just healther players (ex. if Watson comes back).

Huh?

This team can easily notch a 4th-6th seed in the East.
Author:  BD [ Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:28 pm ]
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Douchebag wrote:
BD wrote:
NSJ wrote:
I think the Bulls will repeat in the Central, have the best record in the East and contend very seriously for the NBA title.


If they keep the depth in-place (Watson, Korver and Brewer), which is in question, they will be in a battle for the playoffs, even with the East weak. They do play good defense, and that will continue to be the strength, but they are down 40 points between Rose and Deng (IF Deng joins Rose on the sidelines for several months), and there's not much scoring on this team to begin with outside of Boozer.

It doesn't seem likely that they will be making many (or any) significant moves this off-season so improvement will have to come from last year's #1 pick, and possibly just healther players (ex. if Watson comes back).

Huh?

This team can easily notch a 4th-6th seed in the East.


If they have Deng for the full season, and we knew that Rip Hamilton would be dependable, I'd feel comfortable making that statement.

If they are without Deng for most of the first half of the season, and could possibly lose the depth that helps make this team such a good regular season team, and have to depend on Rip Hamilton being your 2nd scorer on most nights, I have questions about this team being a for sure playoff team. Granted, when Deng and Rose return, even if they aren't at their normal levels of play, the team should make a leap in the East.

As we stand right now, you think this team is a 4-6th seed, even in the East? I'd say it's a border line playoff team.

PF Carlos Boozer
SF Jimmy Butler or ???? (Deng could be out, and Ronnie Brewer is unlikely to be back)
C Joakim Noah
SG Rip Hamilton
PG C.J. Watson or John Lucas III (Watson is an unknown on returning)

Bench:
Taj Gibson
Omer Asik
Jimmy Butler (ideally)
Kyle Korver (unknown on if he'll be back)
1st round pick
Brian Scalabrine
?
?
Author:  Zippy-The-Pinhead [ Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:11 pm ]
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Mini Ditka wrote:
Boozer may not get amnesty till next year when that would save them the luxury tax money.
Why would Reinsdorf be more open to amnesty for Boozer - in which he would pay him his full salary just to go away - than he would to a luxury tax? Either one is essentially money for nothing.
Author:  trickybeck [ Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:24 pm ]
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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:
Boozer may not get amnesty till next year when that would save them the luxury tax money.
Why would Reinsdorf be more open to amnesty for Boozer - in which he would pay him his full salary just to go away - than he would to a luxury tax? Either one is essentially money for nothing.

Going into the luxury tax range, you get charged an additional $1.50 - $4.25 for every $1 over the cap you are. So it's worse than just using amnesty.

Also, a team is restricted in the ways in which they can exceed the cap - exceptioned re-signings of your own players and such. If you amnesty yourself under the cap, you can sign whoever the hell you want.
Author:  BD [ Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:36 pm ]
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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:
Boozer may not get amnesty till next year when that would save them the luxury tax money.
Why would Reinsdorf be more open to amnesty for Boozer - in which he would pay him his full salary just to go away - than he would to a luxury tax? Either one is essentially money for nothing.


Correct. It's not as if the Bulls would have the cap space to sign an additional top end free agent either. They would end up paying Boozer to not play for the Bulls.
Author:  Douchebag [ Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:33 pm ]
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Keeping Score wrote:
Who's the Bulls backup PG to start the season? Teague?

I hope so. Let the kid play and see what he can do.
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:00 pm ]
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Douchebag wrote:
Keeping Score wrote:
Who's the Bulls backup PG to start the season? Teague?

I hope so. Let the kid play and see what he can do.


Shoot 4-17 and have 6 turnovers.
Author:  Douchebag [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:05 am ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Keeping Score wrote:
Who's the Bulls backup PG to start the season? Teague?

I hope so. Let the kid play and see what he can do.


Shoot 4-17 and have 6 turnovers.

Aren't those Brandon Jennings averages?
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:31 am ]
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Lemme ask his number one fan.

Hey Kid....
Author:  Douchebag [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:44 pm ]
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Bulls are on pace to win 50 games again, which was my prediction before the season started, and people called me crazy for saying it.

Thibs for COY?
Author:  Bagels [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:50 pm ]
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Douchebag wrote:
Thibs for COY?


i have to think so right now

Mark Jackson has to be up there too if the Warriors get ~50 wins
Author:  Douchebag [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:52 pm ]
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Bagels wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Thibs for COY?


i have to think so right now

Mark Jackson has to be up there too if the Warriors get ~50 wins

Good point. Jackson would probably get the nod right now just because of the turnaround that franchise has had this season. Thibs is right where they have been the past couple seasons, but it's impressive because the star of the team hasn't played. I guess if the Warriors success continues, Jackson should most of the consideration.
Author:  The Original Kid Cairo [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:33 pm ]
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I must say that the Bulls are proving me wrong, as I pretty much thought the Pacers would win the division running away. Bulls are only a game back and despite some really bad losses, have been right there.
Author:  RFDC [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:36 pm ]
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They are proving a lot of us wrong. Thibs is the man. Noah continues to get better. And to me the most exciting part of this first half of the season is the development of Butler. He has looked great. He is going to be a nice piece to have when Rose and Deng come back.
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