Mini Ditka wrote:
If you can find someone to take Noah I would jump all over that too. He's not a consistent scorer and his defense isn't as good as Asik.
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Deng being moved? |
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2012 ... 706179847/ When John Paxson first took over as Bulls general manager in 2003, he mentioned an early piece of advice he received from a more experienced colleague: “Never trade an established player for a nonestablished player.” Paxson has given way to Gar Forman, but surely that advice has been passed along in the Berto Center board room. So why would the Bulls even think about trying to trade Luol Deng for a high draft pick? That does appear to be one of the strategies under consideration right now, league sources confirmed. A draft camp meeting with North Carolina forward Harrison Barnes was mentioned on the team’s website, but there’s probably no single target. And yes, it does seem odd that Deng would go from leading the NBA in minutes per game to trade bait. That can be explained, however. The Bulls are disappointed Deng is planning to wait until after the London Olympics to repair a torn ligament in his left wrist. Really, though, missing the first month or two of next season is irrelevant in the long run. The Bulls have plenty of love for Deng. The issue here is being backed up against the luxury tax and trying to create flexibility for the future. Next season, Deng, Derrick Rose, Carlos Boozer, Joakim Noah will make roughly $56 million combined. If those four could lead the Bulls to the NBA Finals, there would be no problems. Even forgetting about how injuries might spoil next season, the team’s greatest strengths the past two years were Rose and depth. The Bulls will have to ditch the depth unless they can move one of the high-salaried players. Rose is going nowhere, obviously, and there’s virtually no interest around the league in Boozer. Of the other two players, Noah is arguably tougher to replace as a mobile 7-footer who can anchor the defense. So that leaves Deng as the best candidate to be shopped. A trade is no sure thing, since Deng has two more years left on his contract at a hefty $27.6 million and could miss the start of next season. The ideal trading partner would be a team with cap space and a roster full of young players who could benefit from Deng’s veteran presence. Minnesota is a nice fit, but the Timberwolves traded away their lottery pick long ago. Golden State, with No. 7 selection, could use a player with Deng’s winning history. The problem is, the Warriors already have four high-priced players in Andrew Bogut, David Lee, Richard Jefferson and Andris Biedrins, with an extension for Stephen Curry coming in a year or two. Toronto, picking No. 8, might be interested. The Raptors have cap room, but they haven’t been able to lure many free agents to Canada in the past, so trading for Deng could make sense. In 2004, the year Deng was in the draft, Dallas got the No. 5 pick in exchange for Antawn Jamison. It doesn’t seem likely the Bulls could get a pick that high this summer. There is no shortage of teams to engage — Sacramento at No. 5, New Orleans at 10, Milwaukee at 12, Portland with sixth and 11th picks. Besides Barnes, the Bulls could target a shooting guard such as Duke’s Austin Rivers, Connecticut’s Jeremy Lamb or Syracuse’s Dion Waiters. The whole point is creating flexibility to make more moves in the near future, without paying the luxury tax for a team that may struggle to make the playoffs. Trading Deng for a draft pick is by no means the only option being considered this summer. But it does show that Forman won’t be content just waiting for Rose to recover. The plan is to retool the roster and hope the team is better equipped to reach the Finals when Rose returns to his old form. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
I don't think this years draft is one to get a top 10 pick for Deng, if that would even happen. Just not seeing anyone available that would really help retool this team and get them in a better position when Rose gets back. |
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| Author: | cpguy [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
I can live without Deng. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
Moving Deng now, and pretty much guarantees they will tank next season, which I am okay with. Trade Deng for a decent pick this season, see what Jimmy Butler can do, score another high pick after next season, then Amnesty Boozer next season, and sign a full-boat free agent to play alongside Rose. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
Yes, I am all for moving Deng and Noah. |
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| Author: | Mini Ditka [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
Deng is dumb for not getting his wrist surgery sooner. Do the teams still have to match equal money in trades? I would dump him if only for the fact that he has hit the ceiling of his potential and he's probably only going to get worse in the next two seasons. |
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| Author: | Mini Ditka [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
If you can find someone to take Noah I would jump all over that too. He's not a consistent scorer and his defense isn't as good as Asik. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
Mini Ditka wrote: If you can find someone to take Noah I would jump all over that too. He's not a consistent scorer and his defense isn't as good as Asik.
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
immessedup17 wrote: Salaries have to be within 25%. That's only if both teams are over the cap. If you were gonna do a trade like this Sacramento's #5 pick makes the most sense since they have the cap room. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
Nope, always been that way. In 2008 Camby was making 8 figures and was traded for a 2nd round pick. Lamar Odom was traded for a 1st round pick before this season started. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
immessedup17 wrote: FavreFan wrote: immessedup17 wrote: Salaries have to be within 25%. That's only if both teams are over the cap. If you were gonna do a trade like this Sacramento's #5 pick makes the most sense since they have the cap room. Is that from the new CBA? NBA Live 2004 always made me salary match... You don't see trades like this in the middle of a season because all teams have to be right around the cap. Right now in the off-season, some teams have alot of cap space available, so they are able to acquire a great deal of salary, and only have to give up a pick for it. |
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| Author: | Mr. Belvidere [ Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
Thibbs loves Deng. Wont happen. Unless he's part of a package for a player from Orlando maybe? |
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| Author: | cpguy [ Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
Douchebag wrote: Moving Deng now, and pretty much guarantees they will tank next season, which I am okay with. Trade Deng for a decent pick this season, see what Jimmy Butler can do, score another high pick after next season, then Amnesty Boozer next season, and sign a full-boat free agent to play alongside Rose. Totally agree and based on what is being reported, they are very much considering doing this. Plus 2 years down the road is 2 more years of age on Wade and LeBron. Wade in particular has alot of mileage on those legs and who knows when a body type like LeBron starts to decline. |
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| Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
Season ticket renewals are due the day before the draft which is earlier than normal. This seems to guarantee that Deng will be moved the next day - just like when 7-year suite renewals came due after the 6th championship and then it blew up. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
I'd trade Deng. The mismanagement of his wrist surgery is a real fuck-you to the Bulls, and moving him could really help accelerate the tanking/retooling that needs to be done with this team, which has gone just about as far as it's going to go. I'm more than fine with the Bulls falling off the map for a year if it's for the greater good, and would in fact vastly prefer it to an Atlanta Hawks-esque year of finishing a weak 4th or 5th and losing in the first round. Let Milwaukee or Detroit sneak into a playoff spot and get steamrolled. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
I put the wrist surgery on Paxson, I expect players to be dumb and selfish..I expect management to make him do the smart thing..whether they use Rose or the media ..there is no excuse for Deng to not have that surgery 6 months ago. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
Latest rumor i see is Deng to Warriors for #7 pick. Anyone there excite you? Jeremy Lamb would be my choice. |
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| Author: | Jbi11s [ Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
They are almost forced to trade Deng this offseason... His value may never be higher... Granted this wouldn't be said if Rose was still healthy. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
Jbi11s wrote: They are almost forced to trade Deng this offseason... His value may never be higher... Granted this wouldn't be said if Rose was still healthy. Quote: Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
The Bulls have privately assured Luol Deng that there's "no chance" of a deal sending him to the Warriors, league source tells Y! |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
I cannot fathom how someone would give up #7 for an injured and overpaid Deng. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
Hatchetman wrote: I cannot fathom how someone would give up #7 for an injured and overpaid Deng. When that contract was signed, I would have agreed with you, but right now I'd say it was an okay deal. He's probably still a bit overpaid, but 10-12 million for a Deng-like player is not that bad. He made 12.5 million last season. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
Hatchetman wrote: I cannot fathom how someone would give up #7 for an injured and overpaid Deng. Is there someone likely available at 7 you think will turn out to be better for the Bulls than Deng? |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
OK. let's stay in NBA hell. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
Hatchetman wrote: OK. let's stay in NBA hell. How does the number 7 pick in this draft get you out of NBA hell? |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
conns7901 wrote: Hatchetman wrote: OK. let's stay in NBA hell. How does the number 7 pick in this draft get you out of NBA hell? For sure it frees up salary. You might draft someone good. You would suck more next year and therefore you might get a good draft pick in 2013. But you'd rather watch the Luol Deng, Carlos Boozer led Bullies vie for the #8 playoff spot. That's fine. I don't care.
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
Hatchetman wrote: conns7901 wrote: Hatchetman wrote: OK. let's stay in NBA hell. How does the number 7 pick in this draft get you out of NBA hell? For sure it frees up salary. You might draft someone good. You would suck more next year and therefore you might get a good draft pick in 2013. But you'd rather watch the Luol Deng, Carlos Boozer led Bullies vie for the #8 playoff spot. That's fine. I don't care. 
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| Author: | mrgoodkat [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
Grabbing someone like Harrison Barnes and freeing up some money so you are in the bracket that you weren't last year with respect to an actual 2 -ending up with the poor mans option in Rip. Then you finally amnesty clownbaby, and then we can scream free at last. They need to do something and I'm all for moving Deng. The contract isn't painful now, but they have to break some of this up. It's obvious this team is not going to win nine times out of ten. You could always get those Jason Terry performances or hope for injuries, but they are not running with the Heat or OKC at this point. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
Could there be a second leg to this deal? Move whatever pick you get for Deng for a higher '13 pick? Im all for trading him. His defense is good, but the rest of his game is just annoying and way too inconsistent. |
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| Author: | Big Chicagoan [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
Which year do we get the #1 pick in the draft from Charlotte? 2014? |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deng being moved? |
Any deal that the Warriors would move a high pick would probably also have to include the horrendously bad Andris Biedrins contract. I don't want that here. |
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