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I'd prefer Martin too, depending on the price tag. He had a bad postseason when they really needed him. Kinda agree with DB's thoughts on Gordon too. Its a shame the kid cant stay healthy.

Deng is definitely the most expendable guy on the team though. I'd like to see him moved before next trade deadline.

FavreFan wrote:

Why not Noah? Would you agree that Noah is the most attractive, tradeable asset on the roster?

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Clearly Derrick Rose is the most attractive asset on the roster. But I dont consider Noah tradeable right now, despite his value being at the highest it has ever been. We have nobody even close to ready to replace him. That's not an issue with Deng and the SF spot. Also, Noah's signed up long term on a good contract. It doesnt make sense to trade him unless you were getting Marc Gasol back.

FavreFan wrote:

I threw in the "tradeable" adjective with Noah to differentiate his attractiveness from Rose's, who is clearly the most attractive asset if everyone was on the table.

You're right about no one being able to replace him currently, but I wouldn't let that prevent me from seeing what he could bring back, especially if you get a deal that provides this roster with a second star. Miami's FA coup left them with an empty roster spot (center) that they haven't been able to fill, in any long-term sense, for the past three years, and they haven't missed a beat.

Well they did lose to Dallas their first year because of their lack of size, and probably will lose again this year in the Finals because of the same problem.

But we both know that's a unique circumstance, and if you're drawing up a blueprint on how to build a team and one of the requirements is "get LeBron James", you're gonna fail 29 out of 30 times. If a team wants to trade a top 5-10 player for Noah, I would probably do it. But nobody will do that. Simply put, Noah is more valuable to the Bulls right now than he is around the league, so trading him would be illogical.

Edit: Conversely, Deng is probably more valuable to another team than he is to us right now, especially with an expiring deal and the emergence of Butler. So trading him now would be optimal.

Would you guys rather see Butler at the 2 or the 3?

veganfan21 wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

veganfan21 wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

I agree with you on both Noah and Deng. But you see the Heat losing?

Think about what you wrote though. Would I rather have a luxury 2nd perimeter defender or the 2nd best center in the league? I dont even know how to make a case for Noah being as expendable as Deng is. We dont NEED Deng right now, because we have Jimmy Butler. We need Noah right now, because we have Nazr Mohammad.

Memphis is a bad matchup for Miami. Not so sure on San antone.

I'd prefer Martin too, depending on the price tag. He had a bad postseason when they really needed him.

Memphis is a bad matchup for Miami. Not so sure on San antone.

Author:	Douchebag [ Tue May 21, 2013 2:37 pm ]
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That would be a very tempting offer, but Gordon is too hurty so that contract could become a bigger albatross than Boozer's. I think I would still gamble on it though.

Author:	The Original Kid Cairo [ Tue May 21, 2013 2:43 pm ]
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Kevin Martin please.

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue May 21, 2013 2:54 pm ]
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I'd prefer Martin too, depending on the price tag. He had a bad postseason when they really needed him. Kinda agree with DB's thoughts on Gordon too. Its a shame the kid cant stay healthy. Deng is definitely the most expendable guy on the team though. I'd like to see him moved before next trade deadline.

Author:	veganfan21 [ Tue May 21, 2013 2:55 pm ]
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I like Martin, but at 30, he's even older than Deng.

Author:	veganfan21 [ Tue May 21, 2013 2:56 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: I'd prefer Martin too, depending on the price tag. He had a bad postseason when they really needed him. Kinda agree with DB's thoughts on Gordon too. Its a shame the kid cant stay healthy. Deng is definitely the most expendable guy on the team though. I'd like to see him moved before next trade deadline. Why not Noah? Would you agree that Noah is the most attractive, tradeable asset on the roster?

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Author:	FavreFan [ Tue May 21, 2013 3:00 pm ]
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veganfan21 wrote: FavreFan wrote: I'd prefer Martin too, depending on the price tag. He had a bad postseason when they really needed him. Kinda agree with DB's thoughts on Gordon too. Its a shame the kid cant stay healthy. Deng is definitely the most expendable guy on the team though. I'd like to see him moved before next trade deadline. Why not Noah? Would you agree that Noah is the most attractive, tradeable asset on the roster? I'm not sure what you mean by that. Clearly Derrick Rose is the most attractive asset on the roster. But I dont consider Noah tradeable right now, despite his value being at the highest it has ever been. We have nobody even close to ready to replace him. That's not an issue with Deng and the SF spot. Also, Noah's signed up long term on a good contract. It doesnt make sense to trade him unless you were getting Marc Gasol back.

Author:	veganfan21 [ Tue May 21, 2013 3:05 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by that. Clearly Derrick Rose is the most attractive asset on the roster. But I dont consider Noah tradeable right now, despite his value being at the highest it has ever been. We have nobody even close to ready to replace him. That's not an issue with Deng and the SF spot. Also, Noah's signed up long term on a good contract. It doesnt make sense to trade him unless you were getting Marc Gasol back. I threw in the "tradeable" adjective with Noah to differentiate his attractiveness from Rose's, who is clearly the most attractive asset if everyone was on the table. You're right about no one being able to replace him currently, but I wouldn't let that prevent me from seeing what he could bring back, especially if you get a deal that provides this roster with a second star. Miami's FA coup left them with an empty roster spot (center) that they haven't been able to fill, in any long-term sense, for the past three years, and they haven't missed a beat.

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue May 21, 2013 3:11 pm ]
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veganfan21 wrote: FavreFan wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by that. Clearly Derrick Rose is the most attractive asset on the roster. But I dont consider Noah tradeable right now, despite his value being at the highest it has ever been. We have nobody even close to ready to replace him. That's not an issue with Deng and the SF spot. Also, Noah's signed up long term on a good contract. It doesnt make sense to trade him unless you were getting Marc Gasol back. I threw in the "tradeable" adjective with Noah to differentiate his attractiveness from Rose's, who is clearly the most attractive asset if everyone was on the table. You're right about no one being able to replace him currently, but I wouldn't let that prevent me from seeing what he could bring back, especially if you get a deal that provides this roster with a second star. Miami's FA coup left them with an empty roster spot (center) that they haven't been able to fill, in any long-term sense, for the past three years, and they haven't missed a beat. Well they did lose to Dallas their first year because of their lack of size, and probably will lose again this year in the Finals because of the same problem. But we both know that's a unique circumstance, and if you're drawing up a blueprint on how to build a team and one of the requirements is "get LeBron James", you're gonna fail 29 out of 30 times. If a team wants to trade a top 5-10 player for Noah, I would probably do it. But nobody will do that. Simply put, Noah is more valuable to the Bulls right now than he is around the league, so trading him would be illogical. Edit: Conversely, Deng is probably more valuable to another team than he is to us right now, especially with an expiring deal and the emergence of Butler. So trading him now would be optimal.

Author:	veganfan21 [ Tue May 21, 2013 3:30 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: Well they did lose to Dallas their first year because of their lack of size, and probably will lose again this year in the Finals because of the same problem. But we both know that's a unique circumstance, and if you're drawing up a blueprint on how to build a team and one of the requirements is "get LeBron James", you're gonna fail 29 out of 30 times. If a team wants to trade a top 5-10 player for Noah, I would probably do it. But nobody will do that. Simply put, Noah is more valuable to the Bulls right now than he is around the league, so trading him would be illogical. Edit: Conversely, Deng is probably more valuable to another team than he is to us right now, especially with an expiring deal and the emergence of Butler. So trading him now would be optimal. They did struggle in their first year, despite going to the Finals, for issues that did include size but also went beyond just size, so I don't know if the Dallas win can only be attributed to Miami's lack of size. As for this year, after winning like 67 games, including 27 in a row, I think they only way they lose is if Wade sucks. But I think you're right about the special circumstances. I can see how Noah may be more valuable to the Bulls than anyone else, but at the same time everyone is looking for size, and I would assume GMs look at Noah first for that reason. Butler has made Deng expendable, but on the other side, wouldn't it be nice to have both Deng and Butler around? Top shelf perimeter guys like James, Wade, Durant, Westbrook, possibly Harden if the Rockets get Howard, and Anthony figure to give the Bulls the most problems in late playoff matchups, so having two defenders like Deng and Butler would be a nice luxury to have if you can keep both and still transform the roster.

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue May 21, 2013 3:35 pm ]
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Think about what you wrote though. Would I rather have a luxury 2nd perimeter defender or the 2nd best center in the league? I dont even know how to make a case for Noah being as expendable as Deng is. We dont NEED Deng right now, because we have Jimmy Butler. We need Noah right now, because we have Nazr Mohammad.

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue May 21, 2013 3:37 pm ]
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Keeping Score wrote: Would you guys rather see Butler at the 2 or the 3? 3, but I really have no problem with him starting in either spot.

Author:	City of Fools [ Tue May 21, 2013 3:40 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: veganfan21 wrote: FavreFan wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by that. Clearly Derrick Rose is the most attractive asset on the roster. But I dont consider Noah tradeable right now, despite his value being at the highest it has ever been. We have nobody even close to ready to replace him. That's not an issue with Deng and the SF spot. Also, Noah's signed up long term on a good contract. It doesnt make sense to trade him unless you were getting Marc Gasol back. I threw in the "tradeable" adjective with Noah to differentiate his attractiveness from Rose's, who is clearly the most attractive asset if everyone was on the table. You're right about no one being able to replace him currently, but I wouldn't let that prevent me from seeing what he could bring back, especially if you get a deal that provides this roster with a second star. Miami's FA coup left them with an empty roster spot (center) that they haven't been able to fill, in any long-term sense, for the past three years, and they haven't missed a beat. Well they did lose to Dallas their first year because of their lack of size, and probably will lose again this year in the Finals because of the same problem. But we both know that's a unique circumstance, and if you're drawing up a blueprint on how to build a team and one of the requirements is "get LeBron James", you're gonna fail 29 out of 30 times. If a team wants to trade a top 5-10 player for Noah, I would probably do it. But nobody will do that. Simply put, Noah is more valuable to the Bulls right now than he is around the league, so trading him would be illogical. Edit: Conversely, Deng is probably more valuable to another team than he is to us right now, especially with an expiring deal and the emergence of Butler. So trading him now would be optimal. I agree with you on both Noah and Deng. But you see the Heat losing?

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue May 21, 2013 3:42 pm ]
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City of Fools wrote: FavreFan wrote: veganfan21 wrote: FavreFan wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by that. Clearly Derrick Rose is the most attractive asset on the roster. But I dont consider Noah tradeable right now, despite his value being at the highest it has ever been. We have nobody even close to ready to replace him. That's not an issue with Deng and the SF spot. Also, Noah's signed up long term on a good contract. It doesnt make sense to trade him unless you were getting Marc Gasol back. I threw in the "tradeable" adjective with Noah to differentiate his attractiveness from Rose's, who is clearly the most attractive asset if everyone was on the table. You're right about no one being able to replace him currently, but I wouldn't let that prevent me from seeing what he could bring back, especially if you get a deal that provides this roster with a second star. Miami's FA coup left them with an empty roster spot (center) that they haven't been able to fill, in any long-term sense, for the past three years, and they haven't missed a beat. Well they did lose to Dallas their first year because of their lack of size, and probably will lose again this year in the Finals because of the same problem. But we both know that's a unique circumstance, and if you're drawing up a blueprint on how to build a team and one of the requirements is "get LeBron James", you're gonna fail 29 out of 30 times. If a team wants to trade a top 5-10 player for Noah, I would probably do it. But nobody will do that. Simply put, Noah is more valuable to the Bulls right now than he is around the league, so trading him would be illogical. Edit: Conversely, Deng is probably more valuable to another team than he is to us right now, especially with an expiring deal and the emergence of Butler. So trading him now would be optimal. I agree with you on both Noah and Deng. But you see the Heat losing? Yep. I've been pretty consistent about that. I think they matchup with OKC much better than SA or Memphis. Im not trying to guarantee it or anything, just what I think will happen.

Author:	veganfan21 [ Tue May 21, 2013 3:48 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: Think about what you wrote though. Would I rather have a luxury 2nd perimeter defender or the 2nd best center in the league? I dont even know how to make a case for Noah being as expendable as Deng is. We dont NEED Deng right now, because we have Jimmy Butler. We need Noah right now, because we have Nazr Mohammad. You make sense, but this is a Bulls' perspective. I think other GMs will deem Noah more valuable than Deng, not only for the former's size, but because there's a perception that Thibs has run Deng into the ground for the past three years, as evidenced by his minutes per game averages. Also, I happen to think Noah's value is inflated. He's not a scorer, but, under Thibs' direction, he's a superb defender. He obviously rebounds well, and he's an above average passer. But this one-dimensional skill set, in my opinion, is replaceable. If you can get a guy in here to give you 80% of what Noah does on the boards and on defense, you might be just fine.

Author:	Phil McCracken [ Wed May 22, 2013 8:11 pm ]
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It's always been my fantasy to be named Gar

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Author:	FavreFan [ Tue May 21, 2013 3:49 pm ]
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City of Fools wrote: Memphis is a bad matchup for Miami. Not so sure on San antone. They have nobody that can guard Splitter or Duncan, and SA has an assemply line of athletic swingmen who can hit three's and play defense to throw at Miami.

Author:	Mini Ditka [ Tue May 21, 2013 6:21 pm ]
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City of Fools wrote: Memphis is a bad matchup for Miami. Not so sure on San antone. They split in the regular season. I watched the second game and Miami just had a little bit more than Memphis. I do think Memphis has the advantage of those big guys, but they can't play with Miami if the score gets over 100. The advantage that the Spurs have is they've been there before, they have a great coach and they have veterans and bench guys that can be counted on.

Author:	Nas [ Tue May 21, 2013 6:38 pm ]
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I would be patient unless a great deal fell in my lap. I would only look for cheap shooters and a backup center. I would give this team one more chance to win together and if that didn't work look for to 2014 when you can create $30M+ in cap space and their European sensation will be ready to join them. It would be nice to find someone who can create their own shot or someone that can score in the post but it isn't a huge deal if they have shooters.

Author:	cpguy [ Tue May 21, 2013 7:01 pm ]
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I'm sure they will do their due diligence in the trade market and Deng is the asset with the most value but I see the "core" coming back one last time. No way do I take that Gordon contract. To risky. If Thibs can someone keep the starters healthy when the playoffs hit, they will be a formidable opponent for Miami, assuming Derricka comes back at at least 85% of what he was.