badrogue17 wrote:
Sure maybe you can score on him, just not Derrick.
You know what I mean though right?
I hated the Bonds thing. Just pitch to him. He still makes outs over 60% of the time.
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
I say they can compete with this Heat team next year. |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
If they can get another guy that dribble the ball and score I say they have a shot. The Heat don't really scare me. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
They are one Lebron James away from being awesome. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
30 years. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
They are a call from God away from a championship. |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
Terry's Peeps wrote: They are a call from God away from a championship. JUST.SEND.MONEY. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
Pretty far. Dont have the shooters or ball movement to be able to score when it counts. You think they wouldve hit the 3's that SA or Miami did when they would swing the ball to the wide open guy? Tat is, even if they could find the wide open guy. The basic problem of LeBron on Rose in crunch time hasnt ever been addressed and Rose cant score on LeBron so he has to give the ball up and nobody else can score or break someone down off the dribble. |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
leashyourkids wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: They are a call from God away from a championship. JUST.SEND.MONEY. DANGER DANGER BERNSTINE NARRATIVE ALERT |
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| Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
badrogue17 wrote: Pretty far. Dont have the shooters or ball movement to be able to score when it counts. You think they wouldve hit the 3's that SA or Miami did when they would swing the ball to the wide open guy? Tat is, even if they could find the wide open guy. The basic problem of LeBron on Rose in crunch time hasnt ever been addressed and Rose cant score on LeBron so he has to give the ball up and nobody else can score or break someone down off the dribble. Bingo. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
badrogue17 wrote: Pretty far. Dont have the shooters or ball movement to be able to score when it counts. You think they wouldve hit the 3's that SA or Miami did when they would swing the ball to the wide open guy? Tat is, even if they could find the wide open guy. The basic problem of LeBron on Rose in crunch time hasnt ever been addressed and Rose cant score on LeBron so he has to give the ball up and nobody else can score or break someone down off the dribble. Agreed, they are one offensive threat away |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
rogers park bryan wrote: badrogue17 wrote: Pretty far. Dont have the shooters or ball movement to be able to score when it counts. You think they wouldve hit the 3's that SA or Miami did when they would swing the ball to the wide open guy? Tat is, even if they could find the wide open guy. The basic problem of LeBron on Rose in crunch time hasnt ever been addressed and Rose cant score on LeBron so he has to give the ball up and nobody else can score or break someone down off the dribble. Agreed, they are one offensive threat away I think its more than one. A couple guys that you cant leave open and someone else to get them the ball . |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
rogers park bryan wrote: badrogue17 wrote: Pretty far. Dont have the shooters or ball movement to be able to score when it counts. You think they wouldve hit the 3's that SA or Miami did when they would swing the ball to the wide open guy? Tat is, even if they could find the wide open guy. The basic problem of LeBron on Rose in crunch time hasnt ever been addressed and Rose cant score on LeBron so he has to give the ball up and nobody else can score or break someone down off the dribble. Agreed, they are one offensive threat away Agreed. Are there any legitimate options for fixing this problem for next year? I am having a hard time seeing any. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
badrogue17 wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: badrogue17 wrote: Pretty far. Dont have the shooters or ball movement to be able to score when it counts. You think they wouldve hit the 3's that SA or Miami did when they would swing the ball to the wide open guy? Tat is, even if they could find the wide open guy. The basic problem of LeBron on Rose in crunch time hasnt ever been addressed and Rose cant score on LeBron so he has to give the ball up and nobody else can score or break someone down off the dribble. Agreed, they are one offensive threat away I think its more than one. A couple guys that you cant leave open and someone else to get them the ball . They have secondary ball handlers. I think you add a 2 guard who can average 18-20 a game, and you're right there. Plus, Derrick is gonna have to learn to score on LeBron This "LeBron shuts down anyone" is reminding me of the Bonds Intentional Walk bullshit. He's not THAT good. You could have gotten Bonds out then and you CAN score on LeBron now. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
Sure maybe you can score on him, just not Derrick. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
badrogue17 wrote: Sure maybe you can score on him, just not Derrick. You know what I mean though right? I hated the Bonds thing. Just pitch to him. He still makes outs over 60% of the time. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
rogers park bryan wrote: badrogue17 wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: badrogue17 wrote: Pretty far. Dont have the shooters or ball movement to be able to score when it counts. You think they wouldve hit the 3's that SA or Miami did when they would swing the ball to the wide open guy? Tat is, even if they could find the wide open guy. The basic problem of LeBron on Rose in crunch time hasnt ever been addressed and Rose cant score on LeBron so he has to give the ball up and nobody else can score or break someone down off the dribble. Agreed, they are one offensive threat away I think its more than one. A couple guys that you cant leave open and someone else to get them the ball . They have secondary ball handlers. I think you add a 2 guard who can average 18-20 a game, and you're right there. Plus, Derrick is gonna have to learn to score on LeBron This "LeBron shuts down anyone" is reminding me of the Bonds Intentional Walk bullshit. He's not THAT good. You could have gotten Bonds out then and you CAN score on LeBron now. Badrogue is right on. RPB: who would you say the secondary ball handler is? It will be three years since the 2011 EC Finals when the season starts, but Rose during that series was completely neutralized by LeBron. So I think the talk about Rose not being able to score on LBJ isn't as hyperbolic as it may seem. As for available scorers/creators, Monta Ellis is available, but the Bulls don't have the space to sign him outright. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
veganfan21 wrote: Badrogue is right on. RPB: who would you say the secondary ball handler is? It will be three years since the 2011 EC Finals when the season starts, but Rose during that series was completely neutralized by LeBron. So I think the talk about Rose not being able to score on LBJ isn't as hyperbolic as it may seem. As for available scorers/creators, Monta Ellis is available, but the Bulls don't have the space to sign him outright. I wasnt saying it's hyperbolic. Im saying Rose and everyone else needs to not just cash it in for the night when LeBron guards him The other ball handlers were Nate and Kirk this year. You can find a secondary guy. I think a scoring 2 guard would solve a lot of their issues. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
I agree about Rose having to find a way to deal with it though. The truly great ones find a way to get it done regardless of who is on them. If Rose is the true competitor he supposed to be, he should be taking that as a challenge and bust his ass to figure it out. |
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
rogers park bryan wrote: I wasnt saying it's hyperbolic. Im saying Rose and everyone else needs to not just cash it in for the night when LeBron guards him The other ball handlers were Nate and Kirk this year. You can find a secondary guy. I think a scoring 2 guard would solve a lot of their issues. That's true, but I don't think Rose was cashing it in. He just plainly failed to beat LeBron off the dribble. One crucial possession in the 2011 series ended with a subdued Rose passing the ball to Kyle Korver, who was then smothered by a Heat defender while the shot clock expired. To me, it perfectly encapsulated what was wrong about the Bulls, and still is to some degree: the lack of secondary creators. Nate and Kirk handled the ball just fine, but what is needed is a guy who can create his own shot on a consistent basis when his number his called. Nate and Kirk do not fit the prototype a championship team needs. |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
The lack of another scorer was two-fold in my eyes. It didn't allow them to run any type of offense. The reason Derrick was so easily guardable by Lebron is because they didn't even run him through screens (other than a high pick and roll action). Lebron can't similarly defend people like Tony Parker because the Spurs have a ton of movement in their offense, which is predicated upon additional scorers. The Bulls just went four corners and waited for Derrick to create. That is a recipe for disaster. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
leashyourkids wrote: The lack of another scorer was two-fold in my eyes. It didn't allow them to run any type of offense. The reason Derrick was so easily guardable by Lebron is because they didn't even run him through screens (other than a high pick and roll action). Lebron can't similarly defend people like Tony Parker because the Spurs have a ton of movement in their offense, which is predicated upon additional scorers. The Bulls just went four corners and waited for Derrick to create. That is a recipe for disaster. Agree completely. Plus, that second scorer money has already been used on Boozer, unfortunately. |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
Jimmy Butler went from reserve to starter this year. It's too optimistic for him to jump from starter to fringe all-star next year, right? |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
Kirkwood wrote: Jimmy Butler went from reserve to starter this year. It's too optimistic for him to jump from starter to fringe all-star next year, right? I think he'll be a good supporting cast player, maybe a more versatile version of Tony Allen, but I don't see him as a fringe AS as early as next year. Others who've seen him more can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think his dribble drive game is as advanced as you'd require from someone groomed to be the Wade to Rose's LBJ. |
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| Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
I see Jimmy Butler maxing out as Josh Howard. That's not bad. |
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| Author: | sinicalypse [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
The Bulls ain't winning shit with this team. Their only hope is that a mid-late career Derrick Rose can be the #3 guy on a championship team, which will never happen. This team is content with being in the playoffs every year and winning ~60 regular season games that mean jack shit when it comes to playoff basketball, aka BIG. BOY. BASKETBALL. by my estimations, derrick rose has to be the 3rd leading scorer on the team for them to have a real chance.... and that's with him averaging ~17-20ppg. good luck with that! |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
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| Author: | newper [ Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
The distance between the Bulls and the NBA championship trophy is 1377.4 miles. |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
The Original Kid Cairo wrote: I see Jimmy Butler maxing out as Josh Howard. That's not bad. That's not a bad ceiling, no sir. Rose/Butler/???? |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How Far Are The Bulls From A Championship |
Just trade for Lebron. Problem solved. |
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