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They have no other option but to stand pat. What could they possibly do in season?

They ain't winning shit. They'll be the 7th or 6th seed cuz the East is shit, but so what? Bounced in the 1st round.

I think he's got 4 years left on his Bulls contract. At 18 million a year. So you can't do much with a team if a bad player is taking up that much cap space.

By the way, I'm still holding out hope it's just an MCL which means 8 weeks at most.

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#Bulls and fans are worried, but what about the suits at Adidas? They committed a quarter-billion dollars (!) to the association with Rose.
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Oh. Back in 2019-2020. I get it. Still, who the hell is he?

https://twitter.com/Jaredcwood

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This team can still win without Rose. There is no need for a fire sale and you're only going to get bad players and late 1st round picks.

You may as well fire Thibs now. The Bulls will never be bad enough to get a top 3 or 4 pick. He could make the playoffs with any team in the East.

Nas wrote:

You may as well fire Thibs now. The Bulls will never be bad enough to get a top 3 or 4 pick. He could make the playoffs with any team in the East.

you know, actually if they have a mind to get rid of thibs (which would have seemed wrong b4 the whole ron adams thing) they could undermine him this season by cutting the legs out from under his team and that could cause him to possibly resign in disgust and get them out from under his contract. that's going to be an interesting development to watch as you figure another ACL to rose = more and more ppl are gonna be on the side of "blow it all up and start fresh" which as you point out we know thibs is definitely not one to do. ever. he'd rather slog through NBA hell and emerge a warrior than bowing down to the pressure and redoing the entire team b4 the next trek through NBA hell.

Author:	Nas [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:38 pm ]
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This team can still win without Rose. There is no need for a fire sale and you're only going to get bad players and late 1st round picks.

Author:	SomeGuy [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:40 pm ]
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Win what, exactly?

Author:	Psycory [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:43 pm ]
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I think I agree with you but let me play devil's advocate: 1. Being a middle of the pack eastern conference playoff team is good, I guess not going to win it all but at least they are in the playoffs! However, do you think Jerry will want to be a salary tax repeater for a team that is 52-30 that gets eliminated in the second round by Indiana or Miami?

Author:	Beardown [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:44 pm ]
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They have no other option but to stand pat. What could they possibly do in season? They ain't winning shit. They'll be the 7th or 6th seed cuz the East is shit, but so what? Bounced in the 1st round.

Author:	Beardown [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:47 pm ]
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If they could miss the playoffs and win the Lottory for the #1 pick that's the best thing, obviously. But Thibs will get these guys to win 40 games and get in the playoffs. Actually, in the East, it might only take 35 wins to get the 8th seed.

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Author:	Nas [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:48 pm ]
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SomeGuy wrote: Win what, exactly? I believe this Bulls team beats Miami last season if they were healthy. Besides the only teams that would trade 1st round picks for the Bulls talent are playoff teams. That means the Bulls are looking at picks in the 20's because those teams will get better. No need for a fire sale.

Author:	SomeGuy [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:48 pm ]
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Beardown wrote: They have no other option but to stand pat. What could they possibly do in season? They ain't winning shit. They'll be the 7th or 6th seed cuz the East is shit, but so what? Bounced in the 1st round. They better get a plan together that doesn't count on Rose to do the heavy lifting. Will they or will Jerry clut h the purse strings and let the Bulls make cash in bottom tier basketball hell?

Author:	badrogue17 [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:52 pm ]
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Im as basketball stupid as they come but I don't know how the Bulls can even consider Rose as part of their future anymore. You can't try and build around him anymore. He's toast. Jaw Breaker said in the other thread that if Rose wasn't weak minded before he sure will be now. No way will he ever be the player he was before this, and even that player wasn't good enough to get it done. They better find a plan B somewhere because this isn't going to happen here with Rose.

Author:	Nas [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:54 pm ]
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Yeah Rose is just a guy now. You can't count on him.

Author:	Beardown [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:56 pm ]
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I think he's got 4 years left on his Bulls contract. At 18 million a year. So you can't do much with a team if a bad player is taking up that much cap space.

Author:	IkeSouth [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:57 pm ]
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#firesale

Author:	Beardown [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:57 pm ]
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By the way, I'm still holding out hope it's just an MCL which means 8 weeks at most.

Author:	Nas [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:59 pm ]
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Beardown wrote: I think he's got 4 years left on his Bulls contract. At 18 million a year. So you can't do much with a team if a bad player is taking up that much cap space. They'll get the ability to do something in the summer. They also have the new Kukoc coming over

Author:	badrogue17 [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:01 pm ]
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Beardown wrote: By the way, I'm still holding out hope it's just an MCL which means 8 weeks at most. Even if its "just " an MCL sprain this kid will be so fucked up mentally he's not going to be effective anymore.

Author:	Tad Queasy [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:16 pm ]
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I was listening to Jonathan Hood, which I usually regret after about 15 minutes because he acts like a petulant douche, and he was saying how stupid people are for saying the Bulls should blow the team up because "How did that work for Washington or Sacramento?" I don't closely follow the NBA, but when in recent memory did either of those teams have a player the caliber of Derek Rose, lose him either through injury or trade, and then blow up the team? He then said "How's it working for Orlando since getting rid of Dwight Howard?" But, how many titles did Orlando win with him? He also said "Do you want to take your chances at being terrible for a few years and then hope the ping-pong ball bounces your way?" Isn't that how they got Derek Rose in the first place?

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Author:	IkeSouth [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:07 pm ]
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Quote: IG: @ChanelSwagger ‏@NellzDopeTho 3m Ppl need to stop coming at Derrick Rose cause he's sexy AF! I don't watch basketball but I just know that man is sexy AF!

Author:	IkeSouth [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:09 pm ]
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Quote: Jared Wood ‏@Jaredcwood 7m Derrick Rose confirmed torn right ACL expected back 2019-2020. Reply Retweet Favorite More from Lawrence, NJ

Author:	Beardown [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:12 pm ]
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Who the hell is Jared C Wood?

Author:	IkeSouth [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:13 pm ]
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he played for the bears

Author:	Beardown [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:14 pm ]
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Oh. Back in 2019-2020. I get it. Still, who the hell is he? https://twitter.com/Jaredcwood

Author:	IkeSouth [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:16 pm ]
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Quote: Dan Bernstein ‏@dan_bernstein 2h It's a dreary wait for the DRose MRI results. Hopeful he can avoid joining a list with Mark Prior and Gale Sayers. #Bulls #Cubs #Bears Reply Retweet Favorite More Expand Quote: Dan Bernstein ‏@dan_bernstein 2h #Bulls and fans are worried, but what about the suits at Adidas? They committed a quarter-billion dollars (!) to the association with Rose. Reply Retweet Favorite More Details

Author:	badrogue17 [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:17 pm ]
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IkeSouth wrote: Quote: Jared Wood ‏@Jaredcwood 7m Derrick Rose confirmed torn right ACL expected back 2019-2020. Reply Retweet Favorite More from Lawrence, NJ Its bullshit speculating how long Derrick will be out . I'll wait for the definitive word from Reggie.

Author:	IkeSouth [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:17 pm ]
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Beardown wrote: Oh. Back in 2019-2020. I get it. Still, who the hell is he? https://twitter.com/Jaredcwood he was a kicker/punter

Author:	badrogue17 [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:18 pm ]
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IkeSouth wrote: Quote: Dan Bernstein ‏@dan_bernstein 2h It's a dreary wait for the DRose MRI results. Hopeful he can avoid joining a list with Mark Prior and Gale Sayers. #Bulls #Cubs #Bears Reply Retweet Favorite More Expand Quote: Dan Bernstein ‏@dan_bernstein 2h #Bulls and fans are worried, but what about the suits at Adidas? They committed a quarter-billion dollars (!) to the association with Rose. Reply Retweet Favorite More Details Lil Danny worrying about the money the poor folks at Adidas stand to lose.

Author:	sinicalypse [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:26 pm ]
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Nas wrote: This team can still win without Rose. There is no need for a fire sale and you're only going to get bad players and late 1st round picks. that's the painful part about this.... you know if the bulls don't make the playoffs the NBA will rig them up into the top-5 so they could get a proper running mate for whatever's-left-in-derrick, who's really gonna have to have a come to jesus moment about his game cuz he can't run himself into the ground trying to be mr. everything with two knees improved by the powers of science. you damn well know this team will grind to the 6-8 seed (especially in such a shitty east) and they'll have a #18 pick or something and they'll end up with a role-player-at-best instead of getting into the jabari parker sweepstakes, cuz man if they make the lottery and the NBA takes advantage of the situation to get the bulls the #2 or 3 pick, shit, you got a chance.... altho it's more likely that jabari parker outplays wiggins all season and becomes the consensus #1 pick and therefore idk if the NBA would rig them #1 twice in a row, but i could see them with the #3-5 pick and ending up with a potential franchise-changer. regardless, the silver lining to this cloud is that they should have less desire to keep the band together and let deng/boozer/noah/taj/whoever take a long walk because i think this iteration of THE SUPER TRY HARD BULLS from 2010-2013 has pretty much shot it's wad and done all it could do, cuz even if rose doesnt go out for the season and comes back in 6-8 weeks, man, he was ~34% from the field with another 6/19 night getting him back down towards that 33% shooting mark, which is just bad bad bad bad bad. one way or another you need to get a #1 scoring option / star who derrick can be the robin to their batman, otherwise with derrick playing his heart out til he destroys his body you're just gonna be THE SUPER TRY HARD BULLS out there winning ~60 reg season games and getting a nice seed til you inevitably lose to the heat, slipups notwithstanding. and the bulls have to bite the bullet and do something to try something else around whatever-you've-got-left-in-derrick, cuz you're financially committed to the dude for awhile.... so you midaswell be proactive sellers this year and do everything you can to undermine thibs' desire to have another run like last year and screw up the works. i have 0 faith in the bulls to go get carmelo or something in FA that could realistically change the fate of the franchise, so if the only way you're gonna get a bonafide gamechanger is through the draft, welp, you gotta lose sometime.... why not be now?

Author:	Walt Williams Neck [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:44 pm ]
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Standing Pat will get you nowhere.....great draft class! Tank and get a top 3 or 4 pick!

Author:	Nas [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:55 pm ]
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You may as well fire Thibs now. The Bulls will never be bad enough to get a top 3 or 4 pick. He could make the playoffs with any team in the East.

Author:	RFDC [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:02 pm ]
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Where did the phrase stand pat come from? Why can't it be stand george or stand phil or stand sue...

Author:	sinicalypse [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:04 pm ]
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Nas wrote: You may as well fire Thibs now. The Bulls will never be bad enough to get a top 3 or 4 pick. He could make the playoffs with any team in the East. you know, actually if they have a mind to get rid of thibs (which would have seemed wrong b4 the whole ron adams thing) they could undermine him this season by cutting the legs out from under his team and that could cause him to possibly resign in disgust and get them out from under his contract. that's going to be an interesting development to watch as you figure another ACL to rose = more and more ppl are gonna be on the side of "blow it all up and start fresh" which as you point out we know thibs is definitely not one to do. ever. he'd rather slog through NBA hell and emerge a warrior than bowing down to the pressure and redoing the entire team b4 the next trek through NBA hell.

Author:	badrogue17 [ Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:13 pm ]
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sinicalypse wrote: Nas wrote: You may as well fire Thibs now. The Bulls will never be bad enough to get a top 3 or 4 pick. He could make the playoffs with any team in the East. you know, actually if they have a mind to get rid of thibs (which would have seemed wrong b4 the whole ron adams thing) they could undermine him this season by cutting the legs out from under his team and that could cause him to possibly resign in disgust and get them out from under his contract. that's going to be an interesting development to watch as you figure another ACL to rose = more and more ppl are gonna be on the side of "blow it all up and start fresh" which as you point out we know thibs is definitely not one to do. ever. he'd rather slog through NBA hell and emerge a warrior than bowing down to the pressure and redoing the entire team b4 the next trek through NBA hell. My God sini, Thibs should change his last name to Leonidas after reading that.