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Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:35 pm ]
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That Irving has been starting over Rose. LeBron,Irving and Love oh my :shock:
Author:  Nas [ Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:48 pm ]
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No. Rose is better than Kyrie at 60%.
Author:  IkeSouth [ Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:51 pm ]
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thim tibedow does not want rose starting until the nba season starts. there is a reason he went to coach the usa basketball
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:31 pm ]
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You fucking better be
Author:  Nas [ Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:58 pm ]
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The point of him playing now is so he can knock the rust off.
Author:  cpguy [ Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:27 pm ]
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By all accounts, he has plenty of rust.

TBH I'm sick and tired of hearing about him and the season hasn't even started yet.
Author:  long time guy [ Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:46 pm ]
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His play has not been very good. That is not terribly surprising. He has missed about 2 1/2 years. My issue is that there was this rush to declare that he is back. There was a rush to make him the face of the team especially once Durant backed out and his game is not there yet. The other guys lace their shoes up too. Kyrie Irving isn't a slouch and his skill set is better than a healthy Derrick Rose. The people that are saying that he is rusty are the same ones that declared him to be back. The athletic ability appears to be back as it was prior to the latest injury but his game has a ways to go.
Author:  Nas [ Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:52 pm ]
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In no way is Kyrie better than a healthy Rose.
Author:  IMU [ Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:54 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
In no way is Kyrie better than a healthy Rose.

But is Kyrie Irving better than a 2014 Derrick Rose?

You're in love with a memory.
Author:  long time guy [ Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:59 pm ]
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He has a better skill set. Better shooter better ball handler. Far more creative. No way is Rose at 60% better than Irving.
Author:  long time guy [ Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:04 pm ]
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Tim Leger whose thoughts I respect stated a year ago that in 2-3 years Irving would be equal to or better than Rose. Lebron James coming home party was not only or mostly about coming home. He surmised that Cleveland has more talent than Miami. It was about 30% p.r 70 % basketball. Kyrie Irving is a big time talent.
Author:  Nas [ Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:18 pm ]
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immessedup17 wrote:
Nas wrote:
In no way is Kyrie better than a healthy Rose.

But is Kyrie Irving better than a 2014 Derrick Rose?

You're in love with a memory.


No. Rose at 65% is still better than him.
Author:  IMU [ Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:19 pm ]
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You're high.
Author:  Nas [ Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:20 pm ]
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long time guy wrote:
He has a better skill set. Better shooter better ball handler. Far more creative. No way is Rose at 60% better than Irving.


Kyrie can't shoot and is turnover prone. Even Rusty Rose is more creative.
Author:  Nas [ Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:22 pm ]
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immessedup17 wrote:
You're high.


With the rust Rose is at about 30% now and Kyrie really isn't that much better. Rose was starting before his knees got sore.
Author:  long time guy [ Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:26 pm ]
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Physically he looks to be at 100% and he doesn't look better. I will give Rose time on this. My problem is that there was this rush to proclaim that the MVP Rose of about 3 years ago has returned. Much like there was a rush to do it during last year's preseason. He clearly hasn't returned to form. Jump shot is suspect and he is turnover prone. I think he will be ok but it will probably be around Jan. or Feb.
Author:  Nas [ Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:28 pm ]
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long time guy wrote:
Physically he looks to be at 100% and he doesn't look better. I will give Rose time on this. My problem is that there was this rush to proclaim that the MVP Rose of about 3 years ago has returned. Much like there was a rush to do it during last year's preseason. He clearly hasn't returned to form. Jump shot is suspect and he is turnover prone. I think he will be ok but it will probably be around Jan. or Feb.


I think it will also take about that much time. I'm okay with it too.
Author:  long time guy [ Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:31 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
immessedup17 wrote:
You're high.


With the rust Rose is at about 30% now and Kyrie really isn't that much better. Rose was starting before his knees got sore.
Kyrie Irving is clearly playing better than Rose that is why all of the talk about "rust". I didn't hear much about that until he started struggling.
Author:  long time guy [ Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:37 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
long time guy wrote:
He has a better skill set. Better shooter better ball handler. Far more creative. No way is Rose at 60% better than Irving.


Kyrie can't shoot and is turnover prone. Even Rusty Rose is more creative.
One day I will list some of your basketball musings. I hate to invoke the names but they are cut from the Goff and Bernstein school of hoop analysis
Author:  Nas [ Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:43 pm ]
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long time guy wrote:
Nas wrote:
long time guy wrote:
He has a better skill set. Better shooter better ball handler. Far more creative. No way is Rose at 60% better than Irving.


Kyrie can't shoot and is turnover prone. Even Rusty Rose is more creative.
One day I will list some of your basketball musings. I hate to invoke the names but they are cut from the Goff and Bernstein school of hoop analysis


Delicate Rose
Marshmelo Anthony
Author:  conns7901 [ Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:58 pm ]
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immessedup17 wrote:
Nas wrote:
In no way is Kyrie better than a healthy Rose.

But is Kyrie Irving better than a 2014 Derrick Rose?

You're in love with a memory.


Image
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:20 am ]
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Nas wrote:
In no way is Kyrie better than a healthy Rose.

What exactly is this healthy Rose you speak of?????
Author:  Nas [ Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:22 am ]
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I assumed he meant pre injury Rose.
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:47 pm ]
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Shooting just 21.6% for the tourney, Well I am concerned!
Author:  Nas [ Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:35 pm ]
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How he is moving is more important.
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:49 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
How he is moving is more important.

As good as last year :lol:
Author:  Nas [ Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:58 pm ]
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Walt Williams Neck wrote:
Nas wrote:
How he is moving is more important.

As good as last year :lol:


:lol: :lol:
Author:  long time guy [ Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:57 pm ]
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The jump shot doesn't look like it has a chance of going in.
Author:  long time guy [ Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:05 pm ]
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Rose will be fine. I'm not going to write him off. My problem has been with the over the top marketing. He was sold early on as a guy that wasn't going to miss a beat. Now you're hearing the talk about rust. I was never concerned about his movements because he's the type that won't play unless he is 100%. I will check for him about 40 games into the season. If he is looking like this at that point then I will be concerned.
Author:  Nas [ Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:10 pm ]
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long time guy wrote:
Rose will be fine. I'm not going to write him off. My problem has been with the over the top marketing. He was sold early on as a guy that wasn't going to miss a beat. Now you're hearing the talk about rust. I was never concerned about his movements because he's the type that won't play unless he is 100% I will check for him about 40 games into the season. If he is looking like this at that point then I will be concerned.


Agreed
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