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Author:  long time guy [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 4:24 am ]
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Thibs's refusal to play the younger players is probably the primary reason that he may be on the firing line. Young players are not developing under him. That's obvious. If there is a rift with management that is definitely something that would cause it.

Jimmy Butler only received time because Luol Deng was injured. Etwaun Moore is now receiving time over your last two first round picks. The Bulls traded two first round picks for McDermott and he doesn't play. Etwaun Moore has been released by some of the worst teams in the league. Mirotic is regressing as a player. All of this is occurring while Thibs trots out guys Hinrich and Moore that really can't play.

It is not getting much play right now but if Thibs is whacked I'm sure things will come out regarding his development of young players. This can't sit well with management because it is they that acquires the players. It is an indictment of GarPax's drafting ability if these players are not playing. That is something that would cause a definite rift between coach and management.
Author:  Nas [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:33 am ]
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Mirotic has hit a rookie wall. He'll be fine later in the 2nd half. You're supposed to earn mins. They're not supposed to be given to you. I have no problem with Thibs rotation. That's not the reason why they are losing.
Author:  long time guy [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:38 am ]
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What has Etwaun Moore done to deserve playing time?
Author:  Nas [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:00 am ]
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long time guy wrote:
What has Etwaun Moore done to deserve playing time?


He definitely can't shoot. He plays hard and probably has good practice habits. He can also handle the ball. Snell and McDermott can't. I don't think McDermott is in game shape yet.
Author:  Nas [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:03 am ]
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I would put Rose offense and the fact Gasol has given up on playing defense as the primary reasons the Bulls are struggling. I expect Gasol to try when the games matter most. I don't think Rose will get better offensively.
Author:  long time guy [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:08 am ]
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Nas wrote:
long time guy wrote:
What has Etwaun Moore done to deserve playing time?


He definitely can't shoot. He plays hard and probably has good practice habits. He can also handle the ball. Snell and McDermott can't. I don't think McDermott is in game shape yet.


Snell has looked better during games than Etwaun Moore. The much acclaimed Bulls bench is overrated. Thibs is starting a guy Hinrich at shooting guard who can't shoot and is not the defender he used to be and you don't have a problem with the rotation? I know Dunleavy is hurt but those minutes should go to Snell or McDermott. I wasn't a fan of either pick actually. I preferred Dieng from Louisville over Snell and I didn't think McDermott was very good. I think they should be playing over Hinrich. He is done as a professional basketball player.
Author:  Nas [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:10 am ]
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Hinrich has been bad but you never question his effort. I'm not sure what Snell is doing but I assume Thibs prefers a 2nd ball handler.

It looks like they are pointing the finger at Gasol's effort. I would say Rose offense is a way bigger problem.

http://www.csnchicago.com/bulls/bulls-c ... ocid=yahoo
Author:  bigfan [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:13 am ]
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There is some truth to this guess, but not enough for a firing. Of course, this could be a REAL Mutual parting of the ways at the end of the season. Not one of those PR soins that just allows a guy to save face. If t does happen, it will be because Thibbs agreed to it.

Garpax wants their rookie to look good.

Personally I think Thibbs gave Dougie a chance and he didnt look good, then had a knee and now he is months behind, as Thibbs is trying to make a playoff rotation.
Author:  long time guy [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:21 am ]
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[quote="Nas"]Hinrich has been bad but you never question his effort. I'm not sure what Snell is doing but I assume Thibs prefers a 2nd ball handler.

It looks like they are pointing the finger at Gasol's effort. I would say Rose offense is a way bigger problem.



Gasols defense has definitely been a problem. He was good at rim protection earlier but he is not doing that now. Roses defense has been a problem also. Rose is a big problem no doubt. Offensively he is killing the Bulls. This is the Rose I remember from the Heat series. He took a lot of shots shot of shots shot a low percentage and avg a lot of turnovers.
Author:  Douchebag [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:22 am ]
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They won't fire him during the season unless this turns into a complete disaster (like not making the playoffs), but that's not going to happen.

I can see them letting him go after the season if they fail to get out of the first round again.
Author:  long time guy [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:04 am ]
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Douchebag wrote:
They won't fire him during the season unless this turns into a complete disaster (like not making the playoffs), but that's not going to happen.

I can see then letting him go after the season if they fail to get out of the first round again.

They won't fire him before the season is out. If they do decide to fire him after this season I'm sure the lack of player development will be one of the reasons. You have two journeyman that are playing more than your 1st round round picks. They have three picks that are now seeing little to no time. That is the sort of thing that gets coaches fired. The Rose stuff us obvious and has been talked about at length. I actually don't think he should be fired because of Rose. GMs are judged largely on their ability to draft. If he is not playing the players that they like eventually he will pay the price.
Author:  Curious Hair [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:06 am ]
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I think barring a miracle, Thibs is gone. Bulls p.r. is out in full force talking about what an inadequate coach he is. You don't do that to a guy you want to keep.
Author:  IkeSouth [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:38 am ]
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purple dinosaur had some good comments today about the bulls.. theyre running an iso offense without the talent to do it. pretty much spot on.
Author:  badrogue17 [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:44 am ]
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Derrick "I think I'm Ray Allen" Rose is 1-21 last 3 games from 3 pt range.
Author:  IMU [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:10 am ]
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Nas wrote:
Mirotic has hit a rookie wall. He'll be fine later in the 2nd half. You're supposed to earn mins. They're not supposed to be given to you. I have no problem with Thibs rotation. That's not the reason why they are losing.

Nas knows basketball. Except when it came to Pau and Carmelo.
Author:  shakes [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:18 am ]
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Nas wrote:
I would put Rose offense and the fact Gasol has given up on playing defense as the primary reasons the Bulls are struggling. I expect Gasol to try when the games matter most. I don't think Rose will get better offensively.



Who on this team besides Butler is playing defense??? The answer is nobody.

Worse than the fact that they defense is bad is the reason for it being bad....laziness and lack of effort. Just watch the big men play pick and roll defense if you want a good example of this laziness and lack of effort. None of the big men are showing on the pick and roll, they're just backing off and giving the guard a head of steam coming off the pick and turning the corner.

And the lack of movement on offense is even worse. Bunch of guys pounding the ball for 15 seconds, then an entry into the high post, Gasol flails around for a bit and either takes a shot or throws it out to one of our many sub par 3 point shooters. No one is cutting off the ball to the lane for the backdoor pass from the post.

This team is unwatchable and it all come down to effort. That means the coach has to go since you can't fire all the players.
Author:  shakes [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:20 am ]
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long time guy wrote:
Thibs's refusal to play the younger players is probably the primary reason that he may be on the firing line. Young players are not developing under him. That's obvious. If there is a rift with management that is definitely something that would cause it.

Jimmy Butler only received time because Luol Deng was injured. Etwaun Moore is now receiving time over your last two first round picks. The Bulls traded two first round picks for McDermott and he doesn't play. Etwaun Moore has been released by some of the worst teams in the league. Mirotic is regressing as a player. All of this is occurring while Thibs trots out guys Hinrich and Moore that really can't play.

It is not getting much play right now but if Thibs is whacked I'm sure things will come out regarding his development of young players. This can't sit well with management because it is they that acquires the players. It is an indictment of GarPax's drafting ability if these players are not playing. That is something that would cause a definite rift between coach and management.


LOL you think the problem is that he isn't playing the rookies???????

The problem is the veterans and their lack of effort. That isn't going to change by giving minutes to Tony Snell.
Author:  IkeSouth [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:30 am ]
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badrogue17 wrote:
Derrick "I think I'm Ray Allen" Rose is 1-21 last 3 games from 3 pt range.


its no question why either. he shoots moving sideways... ALWAYS. hes not tall enough to shoot over anyone, so he has this signature "im sliding sideways as i shoot and i will be lucky to hit the rim" shot going on. i hate it. looks amazing when it does go in, but its such a poor form for consistent shooting.
Author:  long time guy [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:49 pm ]
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shakes wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Thibs's refusal to play the younger players is probably the primary reason that he may be on the firing line. Young players are not developing under him. That's obvious. If there is a rift with management that is definitely something that would cause it.

Jimmy Butler only received time because Luol Deng was injured. Etwaun Moore is now receiving time over your last two first round picks. The Bulls traded two first round picks for McDermott and he doesn't play. Etwaun Moore has been released by some of the worst teams in the league. Mirotic is regressing as a player. All of this is occurring while Thibs trots out guys Hinrich and Moore that really can't play.

It is not getting much play right now but if Thibs is whacked I'm sure things will come out regarding his development of young players. This can't sit well with management because it is they that acquires the players. It is an indictment of GarPax's drafting ability if these players are not playing. That is something that would cause a definite rift between coach and management.


LOL you think the problem is that he isn't playing the rookies???????

The problem is the veterans and their lack of effort. That isn't going to change by giving minutes to Tony Snell.


The fact that he is not playing the rookies may be a problem with respect to his job security. Let's not conflate the argument. I know that is standard message board practice but it won't fly this rip. Thibs is playing a guy on his last legs in Hinrich that clearly doesn't have it anymore. Etwaun Moore has done nothing to justify the minutes he is receiving. He is a ten day contract guy or minimum salary guy and he came in essentially taking minutes away from three first round picks. I'm not using this as a reason for the Bulls struggles. However Thibs is playing two liabilities at the expense of three guys that management has made investments in. That is potentially going to be a problem for him.
Author:  long time guy [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:57 pm ]
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shakes wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Thibs's refusal to play the younger players is probably the primary reason that he may be on the firing line. Young players are not developing under him. That's obvious. If there is a rift with management that is definitely something that would cause it.

Jimmy Butler only received time because Luol Deng was injured. Etwaun Moore is now receiving time over your last two first round picks. The Bulls traded two first round picks for McDermott and he doesn't play. Etwaun Moore has been released by some of the worst teams in the league. Mirotic is regressing as a player. All of this is occurring while Thibs trots out guys Hinrich and Moore that really can't play.

It is not getting much play right now but if Thibs is whacked I'm sure things will come out regarding his development of young players. This can't sit well with management because it is they that acquires the players. It is an indictment of GarPax's drafting ability if these players are not playing. That is something that would cause a definite rift between coach and management.


LOL you think the problem is that he isn't playing the rookies???????

The problem is the veterans and their lack of effort. That isn't going to change by giving minutes to Tony Snell.
The lack of development for three guys that each play the position or can play the position of Mike Dunleavy is something to take notice of. The value of Mike Dunleavy, a guy no one really wanted by the way, has increased exponentially because of the inability of Thibs to develop these three players. He is reluctant to play rookies. The foul committed by Hinrich caused the Bulls to lose a game. The stupidity of that foul alone should have benched him. Instead he was provided cover by Thibs. Which of the rookies would have been afforded such a luxury.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:05 pm ]
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Thibs will win multiple titles somewhere else
Author:  Nas [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:06 pm ]
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Thibs will be fine.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:11 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
Thibs will be fine.

Browns:Bulls

Belichick: Thibs
Author:  Nas [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:16 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Nas wrote:
Thibs will be fine.

Browns:Bulls

Belichick: Thibs


I really hope that isn't true. I would be devastated if Thibs got fired after the Bulls spent years undermining him and giving him garbage.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:18 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Nas wrote:
Thibs will be fine.

Browns:Bulls

Belichick: Thibs


I really hope that isn't true. I would be devastated if Thibs got fired after the Bulls spent years undermining him and giving him garbage.

Not a perfect analogy thought because Thibs has had some success with The Bulls.
Author:  Rod [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:21 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Nas wrote:
Thibs will be fine.

Browns:Bulls

Belichick: Thibs


I really hope that isn't true. I would be devastated if Thibs got fired after the Bulls spent years undermining him and giving him garbage.

Not a perfect analogy thought because Thibs has had some success with The Bulls.



He's more like LaRussa with the Sox. Jerry is allowing one of his goofs to do it again.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:26 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:


He's more like LaRussa with the Sox. Jerry is allowing one of his goofs to do it again.

I didnt want to start a big thing so I went with Belichick but yes, this is very similar to the LaRussa thing


Paxson and Hawk are in Jerry's family. LaRussa and Thibs are not
Author:  BD [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:02 pm ]
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long time guy wrote:
Thibs's refusal to play the younger players is probably the primary reason that he may be on the firing line. Young players are not developing under him. That's obvious. If there is a rift with management that is definitely something that would cause it.

Jimmy Butler only received time because Luol Deng was injured. Etwaun Moore is now receiving time over your last two first round picks. The Bulls traded two first round picks for McDermott and he doesn't play. Etwaun Moore has been released by some of the worst teams in the league. Mirotic is regressing as a player. All of this is occurring while Thibs trots out guys Hinrich and Moore that really can't play.

It is not getting much play right now but if Thibs is whacked I'm sure things will come out regarding his development of young players. This can't sit well with management because it is they that acquires the players. It is an indictment of GarPax's drafting ability if these players are not playing. That is something that would cause a definite rift between coach and management.


Didn't Joakim Noah, Jimmy Butler and Taj Gibson (not the typical college age, but still no NBA experience), and Derrick Rose all develop under him, to some degree?
I'm not ready to write off McDermott or Mirotic. Mirotic has actually gotten decent playing time.
Author:  Douchebag [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:03 pm ]
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BD wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Thibs's refusal to play the younger players is probably the primary reason that he may be on the firing line. Young players are not developing under him. That's obvious. If there is a rift with management that is definitely something that would cause it.

Jimmy Butler only received time because Luol Deng was injured. Etwaun Moore is now receiving time over your last two first round picks. The Bulls traded two first round picks for McDermott and he doesn't play. Etwaun Moore has been released by some of the worst teams in the league. Mirotic is regressing as a player. All of this is occurring while Thibs trots out guys Hinrich and Moore that really can't play.

It is not getting much play right now but if Thibs is whacked I'm sure things will come out regarding his development of young players. This can't sit well with management because it is they that acquires the players. It is an indictment of GarPax's drafting ability if these players are not playing. That is something that would cause a definite rift between coach and management.


Didn't Joakim Noah, Jimmy Butler and Taj Gibson (not the typical college age, but still no NBA experience), and Derrick Rose all develop under him, to some degree?
I'm not ready to write off McDermott or Mirotic. Mirotic has actually gotten decent playing time.

Joakim really came into his own during the Boston series, and the following year under Vinny. Rose won ROY under Vinny. Gibson started 70 games as a rookie under Vinny.

Does this team need Vinny? :shock: :shock:
Author:  BD [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:07 pm ]
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Douchebag wrote:
BD wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Thibs's refusal to play the younger players is probably the primary reason that he may be on the firing line. Young players are not developing under him. That's obvious. If there is a rift with management that is definitely something that would cause it.

Jimmy Butler only received time because Luol Deng was injured. Etwaun Moore is now receiving time over your last two first round picks. The Bulls traded two first round picks for McDermott and he doesn't play. Etwaun Moore has been released by some of the worst teams in the league. Mirotic is regressing as a player. All of this is occurring while Thibs trots out guys Hinrich and Moore that really can't play.

It is not getting much play right now but if Thibs is whacked I'm sure things will come out regarding his development of young players. This can't sit well with management because it is they that acquires the players. It is an indictment of GarPax's drafting ability if these players are not playing. That is something that would cause a definite rift between coach and management.


Didn't Joakim Noah, Jimmy Butler and Taj Gibson (not the typical college age, but still no NBA experience), and Derrick Rose all develop under him, to some degree?
I'm not ready to write off McDermott or Mirotic. Mirotic has actually gotten decent playing time.

Joakim really came into his own during the Boston series, and the following year under Vinny. Rose won ROY under Vinny. Gibson started 70 games as a rookie under Vinny.

Does this team need Vinny? :shock: :shock:


Rose was always going to develop, no matter the coach, but I do recall a certain show on WSCR saying that Del Negro was going to stunt Rose's growth.

Butler is now an all-star, and Noah has become the leader of the team.
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