My guy is saying this too...

If it was Taj, I'd send his ass to Charlotte & hope he gets lost in the part of the Carolinas that are currently underwater, or some armpit like Utah. He's been a petulant, butt hurt whiny baby that hasn't produced for two years now. Change!

He's been a petulant, butt hurt whiny baby that hasn't produced for two years now. Change!

No. He had a bad season last year because of injuries. I can't say that I am upset about it. Taj has always been a professional and team first guy. That being said he probably peaked in the 2013-14 season.

If it was Taj, I'd send his ass to Charlotte & hope he gets lost in the part of the Carolinas that are currently underwater, or some armpit like Utah. He's been a petulant, butt hurt whiny baby that hasn't produced for two years now. Change!

there is already a thread for this...

If a guy that has abandoned or quit on his team for 3 years is talking about free agency in 2 years instead of a championship I don't have a problem with someone taking a shot at him. Especially a guy that has played with more injuries than anyone with the exception of probably Noah. Fuck Rose!

Lets just say that when healthy, I've grown tired of both of their acts.

If it went down like it was suggested it was a dirty play. Rose shouldn't have been discussing his not so impending free agency though. ... Not only that, these guys have played injured while talked about not playing until he was 100%. Lastly, his teammates more than anyone, were in more of a position to ascertain whether or not he was able to go. They were there for the rehabilitation process. They were there when the doctors cleared him and he was able to practice, yet sit out games. Its a tough call on this one.

His ass out stupidity has finally erased the memory of the HS kid who was the grittiest team-first guy I remember.

I love Taj and Noah but realize both are probably done. They played the game the right way and left it all on the court.

Rose and Taj?

I'm holding hope that Noah is not done. I think you're right on that. I don't want Taj to be done. Bulls have to be able to get something for him in a trade. A done Taj nets you Nazr Mohammed in a salary dump.

That is the thing that is the biggest disappointment to me. He seemed to be such a team first guy, and yet something or a multitude of things sure changed him.

Injuries happen. But the way he has changed throughout the process has been a huge letdown.

LTG, I've never considered it in that context. I think you may be exactly right.

If it went down like it was suggested it was a dirty play. Rose shouldn't have been discussing his not so impending free agency though. I'm sure that didn't sit too well with the guys that have covered for him publically over the years. Not only that, these guys have played injured while talked about not playing until he was 100%. Lastly, his teammates more than anyone, were in more of a position to ascertain whether or not he was able to go. They were there for the rehabilitation process. They were there when the doctors cleared him and he was able to practice, yet sit out games. Its a tough call on this one.

I'm sure his guy doesn't have the same sources that I have.

LTG, I've never considered it in that context. I think you may be exactly right.

You know what I have thought about this a little. I don't know how much of a team guy that he actually was, even then. I should rephrase that. He was a team guy, but probably in the way that Lebron is a team guy.

If you look at his high school and college teams, Rose was decidedly the star on those teams. High school is understandable, because its rare to have two potential first round draft picks on the same team. College is different. He didn't choose one of the college powerhouse teams to play for. He chose Memphis, which had Douglas-Roberts and old ass Joey Dorsey. They were marginal NBA guys at best.

You also had shady ass Calipari and big bag of money, but you can get that anywhere. They set his brother up with a cushy Fed Ex job also. You can get that anywhere.

I think that he chose Memphis in order to get the same setup that he had at Simeon. Rose surrounded by a bunch of Role players. He has won in both places doing that. He also was able to win in the NBA on a team where he was the unquestioned star.

This is the first time ever that Rose as the alpha male on a team has ever been in question. When he made the statement regarding "why not him" it was as much one of confidence as it was ego. Most people focused on the confidence part but his ego was at play also. When people harped on his reluctance to recruit free agents that was his ego also.

I think Rose has always had an ego and probably been arrogant, but has never really had to show it until now. Unfortunately it is on display at a time when the whole city is against him, which is the worst possible time.

In fairness to Rose I have absolutely no issue with him wanting to be the best player on a championship team. It takes a lot of confidence to want to be that guy. In the end actually winning matters most. That's why you call Marshmelo and others.

Memphis has been good to great pretty much since Keith Lee was dripping Jerri Curl on his opponents. The same goes for Calipari teams.

I think it all stems from Derrick possessing no leadership qualities while holding a position on the team/in the league that demands he be the team leader. He defers to "the older brother" in whatever form it is presented to him. It hurts him to know he isn't what he is expected to be so he lashes out. Except he lashes out in his typically emotionally stunted manner.