If anyone has a stream link, please provide!
Don't forget that GS/Spurs are on NBA TV later. Must see B-ball
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| Author: | St. Louis Bull Man [ Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | HEAT to Burn Down The BULLS Mon @ United Center CSN |
If anyone has a stream link, please provide! Don't forget that GS/Spurs are on NBA TV later. Must see B-ball
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| Author: | spmack [ Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: HEAT to Burn Down The BULLS Mon @ United Center CSN |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: HEAT to Burn Down The BULLS Mon @ United Center CSN |
Why is this game close Oh yea... Wade |
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| Author: | IMU [ Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: HEAT to Burn Down The BULLS Mon @ United Center CSN |
Aaron Brooks is definitely the Bulls best PG, right? |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: HEAT to Burn Down The BULLS Mon @ United Center CSN |
https://www.reddit.com/r/chicagobulls/ often will have a stream noted towards the top ... tonight is no exception. Sorry it's late to this thread. Better late than never. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: HEAT to Burn Down The BULLS Mon @ United Center CSN |
This is why they need Derrick Rose. They can't get a good look in the 4th quarter. Know the dude gets hurt but until the contract is up he isn't going anywhere. I would be in favor of letting him go because you can't trust him but he is the best shot creator on the team. Even with the injuries there is no disputing it. This looked like the playoff series against Cleveland watching that 4th quarter. |
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| Author: | IMU [ Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: HEAT to Burn Down The BULLS Mon @ United Center CSN |
What is a shot creater? |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: HEAT to Burn Down The BULLS Mon @ United Center CSN |
IMU wrote: What is a shot creater? Probably what the word and not necessarily the spelling implies. In attempting to be clever or witty, you're neither. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:31 am ] |
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IMU wrote: What is a shot creater? https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... KT9S4RQS3w Not too bright are you? |
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| Author: | IMU [ Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: HEAT to Burn Down The BULLS Mon @ United Center CSN |
Yes, let's focus on the fact that I was posting from my phone. One typo in the year 2016 so far. Egads! Now that we've done that, what is a shot creator? |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:10 am ] |
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IMU wrote: Yes, let's focus on the fact that I was posting from my phone. One typo in the year 2016 so far. Egads! Now that we've done that, what is a shot creator? I thought you were trying to be facetious. Shot creator is a person that can get his own shot or create for others. Rose is the best the Bulls have at that. He is better at getting his own shot than he is at creating for others but he is can pass a too. The Bulls don't have many guys that can do it and it manifested last night. I know people want to make Butler that guy, but he isn't. He struggles to get his own shot. Brooks is better than Butler at that particular part of the game but he struggles in so many other areas that you can't play him extended minutes without hurting the team. |
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| Author: | IMU [ Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: HEAT to Burn Down The BULLS Mon @ United Center CSN |
Any shot attempts count? What about the Bulls' shot creator creating shots for the other team? Should that be critiqued? |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:00 am ] |
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IMU wrote: Any shot attempts count? What about the Bulls' shot creator creating shots for the other team? Should that be critiqued? Shot attempts count but the most valued skill in basketball is the ability to get your own shot off. The key is the ability to get "good" shots. Shot creators are guys that can get their own shot any time that they want. It has to be a good shot though. It doesn't have to do with attempts as much as it has to do with getting good looks. They are the guys that end up with the ball with 5 seconds or less on the shot clock. Butler wants to be that guy, but he isn't. Rose was that guy until injuries stalled his career. He has been getting back to that lately. He shot a bad percentage against Cleveland but the shots he took were good shots. SOme rimmed out and some were blocked at the rim. As far as creating for the other team they can do that also. Bad shots lead to fast breaks. If you watch and have played enough ball its easy to ascertain what a bad shot creator happens to be. Mirotic is one and Brooks is another. |
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| Author: | IMU [ Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: HEAT to Burn Down The BULLS Mon @ United Center CSN |
When Rose is not on the floor, the Bulls do not suffer on offense. Visually or per the statistics. Rose is shooting 40% this season. He hasn't shot above 45% since 2009-2010. That...isn't good. Jimmy Butler is shooting over 45% this year and last. His number one weapon is driving to the hoop...which he does often. Isn't that the ultimate created shot since it relies on bringing the ball right to the hoop and taking a high percentage shot attempt? He averages about 8 FT attempts per game due to his ability to 'create shots' ... that is pretty much 7 'free points' for the Bulls each night. Derrick Rose certainly 'shoots' more than Jimmy Butler does, but misses far more shots, and does not get to the free throw line even half as much as Butler does. I feel that at every angle you look at this, in 2015-2016 Butler and Pau are the Bulls' two shot creators, even by your definition. Any importance given to Derrick Rose is based on looking at the past and hoping to see a similar future. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:54 am ] |
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IMU wrote: When Rose is not on the floor, the Bulls do not suffer on offense. Visually or per the statistics. Rose is shooting 40% this season. He hasn't shot above 45% since 2009-2010. That...isn't good. Jimmy Butler is shooting over 45% this year and last. His number one weapon is driving to the hoop...which he does often. Isn't that the ultimate created shot since it relies on bringing the ball right to the hoop and taking a high percentage shot attempt? He averages about 8 FT attempts per game due to his ability to 'create shots' ... that is pretty much 7 'free points' for the Bulls each night. Derrick Rose certainly 'shoots' more than Jimmy Butler does, but misses far more shots, and does not get to the free throw line even half as much as Butler does. I feel that at every angle you look at this, in 2015-2016 Butler and Pau are the Bulls' two shot creators, even by your definition. Any importance given to Derrick Rose is based on looking at the past and hoping to see a similar future. Rose hasnt played much the last five years. Rose is shooting 46 percent in January. He was at 30 percent before that I believe. Using your statistics Taj Gibson is a better shot creator than Rose or Butler. You can't merely cite stats. If you watch the game you will see that Rose is the one guy that can consistently beat his man off the dribble. He has been doing it for about a month now. Last night the Bulls did not go to Butler down the stretch. Maybe it was a mistake but if you are the man then you should receive the ball. Don't just put it on Hoiberg either Thibs did exactly the same thing last year. There is a reason. Gasol is better at getting his own look also. Butler's shooting percentage has declined since the beginning of the season also. 45% is not that good for a guy that primarily receives single coverage as Butler does. He also shoots 30% percent from 3 which is bad for a "2" guard also. |
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| Author: | IMU [ Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:54 am ] |
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long time guy wrote: If you watch the game you will see that Rose is the one guy that can consistently beat his man off the dribble. He has been doing it for about a month now. There is zero benefit to beating a man off of a dribble if it doesn't lead to scoring on that single possession. Taking a wild shot is the same as a turnover. Taj Gibson doesn't create shots. He also doesn't shoot the ball just to shoot it. He takes shots when he has a high percentage chance of making it, or the shot clock is winding down with the ball in his possession. He doesn't hold the ball in on the block for 10 seconds trying to find a move that will work. He works within the flow of an offense, and always has. Derrick Rose handling the ball is how an offense dies. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:01 pm ] |
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IMU wrote: long time guy wrote: If you watch the game you will see that Rose is the one guy that can consistently beat his man off the dribble. He has been doing it for about a month now. There is zero benefit to beating a man off of a dribble if it doesn't lead to scoring on that single possession. Taking a wild shot is the same as a turnover. There is a lot of benefit to being able to beat your man off the dribble. Rose has not been taking wild shots either. You have to watch the game. Statistically and "eye test" wise he has been playing much better. The Bulls struggled mightily during the fourth quarter. They could not get any "good shots" off. There is a reason. Lack of shot creators. Also when you beat guys off the dribble it may lead to an offensive rebound and put back because the defense shifts. Guys have to slide over in order to contest the shot. That opens up weak side rebounding position. There is a lot of benefit to it. I'm going to tap out on that point. The curve is simply too deep on this one. You have to study the game a little more because the nuances of it are lost on you. |
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| Author: | IMU [ Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:10 pm ] |
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Stop saying I don't watch the game. That counter has one large fault; I watch the games. Almost all of them. What I see is different from what you see, evidently. If I go out to a bar, I may end up hitting it off with a divorcee worth millions of dollars and she may want me to be her sugar daddy. This is why I work off of statistics and probability... so I don't sound like you and talk about what may happen. I'm going to talk about what does happen. I don't find that divorcee worth millions. Derrick Rose doesn't make shots. The Bulls aren't better with current Rose on the court. You want to reference last night so much, yet you're ignoring the games without Rose where the Bulls clearly played much better. Those games total up to outweigh two quarters. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: HEAT to Burn Down The BULLS Mon @ United Center CSN |
IMU wrote: Stop saying I don't watch the game. That counter has one large fault; I watch the games. Almost all of them. What I see is different from what you see, evidently. If I go out to a bar, I may end up hitting it off with a divorcee worth millions of dollars and she may want me to be her sugar daddy. This is why I work off of statistics and probability... so I don't sound like you and talk about what may happen. I'm going to talk about what does happen. I don't find that divorcee worth millions. Derrick Rose doesn't make shots. The Bulls aren't better with current Rose on the court. You want to reference last night so much, yet you're ignoring the games without Rose where the Bulls clearly played much better. Those games total up to outweigh two quarters. They defeated OKC twice, San Antonio, L.A. Clippers?, Cleveland twice, with Rose on the court. They were in the game with G.S. with Rose on the court. they have defeated Toronto with Rose on the court also. They don't stand a chance of defeating any of the best teams unless Rose plays. I know its fashionable to diss the guy hell I do it but the bottom line is that they are a better team when he plays. It was just one game last week too. It will continue to be one game as long as you keep looking at it as "one game". The only reason I continue to make reference to actually watching the game is because you rarely if ever make reference to having watched the game. You continue to quote statistics, which I find to be very Bernstein like. I stopped listening to the guy about sports once I realized that he didn't much watch sports. Everything became a statistic when he should be discussing games. Data can be manipulated as it was for Butler against G.S. If you watch sports you will see that he got his "numbers" once the game was already in hand. That's the sort of thing you can't get from merely looking at a spreadsheet. Rose has shot close to 50% for the past month. He was at 48% prior to the Cleveland game. He has been making his shots. He doesn't make 3's but he hasn't been taking many which is good. |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:23 pm ] |
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IMU wrote: Stop saying I don't watch the game. That counter has one large fault; I watch the games. Almost all of them. What I see is different from what you see, evidently. If I go out to a bar, I may end up hitting it off with a divorcee worth millions of dollars and she may want me to be her sugar daddy. This is why I work off of statistics and probability... so I don't sound like you and talk about what may happen. I'm going to talk about what does happen. I don't find that divorcee worth millions. Derrick Rose doesn't make shots. The Bulls aren't better with current Rose on the court. You want to reference last night so much, yet you're ignoring the games without Rose where the Bulls clearly played much better. Those games total up to outweigh two quarters. 
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