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| Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
Hoiball is 3-0 in the last three games, with 88 total assists combined. Is long time guy right? Is Butler just a good stats on a bad team guy and a ball-stopper? It's possible. |
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| Author: | spmack [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
This thread will have IMU and Long Time Guy all over it. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
What about Rose? Does the opponents matter? |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
Nas wrote: What about Rose? Does the opponents matter? 88 assists in 3 games is really good against any opponent. But it's only 3 games, so I'm not even close to ready to say it's a trend or anything meaningful has changed. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
If Butler is your best player, you are in big trouble. |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
butler is totally a me guy. when was the last time you said "holy shit look at that pass he made?" rose on the other hand, is like lebron where we are constantly saying TAKE IT TO THE HOLE DONT PASS but he does pass and usually before you can see what he sees the ball is already in an open players hands. butler is a lunchbox guy. he is good because he put in a ton of effort to get his body in crazy good shape. rose is a natural freak of nature. he is good because god wanted him to be, even despite his pussy attitude. |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
Butler is a tool who is great on a bad team and a specialist on a good team. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
leashyourkids wrote: Butler is a tool who is great on a bad team and a specialist on a good team. That's way too extreme. Steve Novak is a specialist. Butler is way too good to be considered that, on any team. |
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| Author: | IMU [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
FavreFan wrote: leashyourkids wrote: Butler is a tool who is great on a bad team and a specialist on a good team. That's way too extreme. Steve Novak is a specialist. Butler is way too good to be considered that, on any team. If he played for Golden State, he'd be a "hidden gem" who was set to take over for Iguodala. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
Butler as your third option is solid. As your first option your team is in trouble. As much as Rose struggled last season Thibs still felt much more comfortable with the ball in Rose's hands at the end of games. Butler works hard but he is not a special talent. He has maximized his ability and that is good, but his ceiling is still third option at best. It's not a knock on him but it's merely what I believe to be an accurate assessment. It's still a small sample size but the offense looks much better without his ball stopping ways. |
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| Author: | Chet Coppock's Fur Coat [ Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
leashyourkids wrote: Butler is a tool who is great on a bad team and a pouty whiner on a good team because he won't be the man. Fixed that for you.
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
Hatchetman wrote: If Butler is your best player, you are in big trouble. if E'Twaun is your best player you are not even a bubble team.....bunch of bonehead thoughts here |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
Walt Williams Neck wrote: Hatchetman wrote: If Butler is your best player, you are in big trouble. if E'Twaun is your best player you are not even a bubble team.....bunch of bonehead thoughts here There are a lot of guys suddenly looking like NBA players including Doug McDermott. Anyone that thinks it doesn't have something to do with Butler's absence hasn't really been paying attention. You can see when a guy is being selfish and not running the offense. Stacey King and Funk were calling this stuff a month ago and now the drumbeat is becoming much larger. It will be interesting to see what happens when he comes back. They need the guy, but they need the guy to help guys become better. That will help the team. All of a sudden Hoiberg's offense doesn't look so bad does it? It is obvious where the impediment lay. They have scored more than a 100 points in 11 straight games. |
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| Author: | IMU [ Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
long time guy wrote: They have scored more than a 100 points in 11 straight games. What? No they haven't. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
IMU wrote: long time guy wrote: They have scored more than a 100 points in 11 straight games. What? No they haven't. I read it somewhere. Didn't check for verification. |
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| Author: | IMU [ Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
Don't you watch the games? |
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| Author: | Nas [ Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
They lost most of those games too because they were giving up too many points. McDermott has looked good since the All Star break but it has nothing to do with Butler being out. He's making shots he was missing and being aggressive. His issue offensively appeared to be confidence. I called that earlier this month. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
Nas wrote: They lost most of those games too because they were giving up too many points. McDermott has looked good since the All Star break but it has nothing to do with Butler being out. He's making shots he was missing and being aggressive. His issue offensively appeared to be confidence. I called that earlier this month. He is also doing more of the dribble and is not being relegated to simply a standstill shooter. He has some athleticism. That checked out at the combine. They were pigeonholing him as a standstill shooter. He also wasn't getting enough touches. If he missed the first 2-3 shots they'd go away from him. The Bulls had 7 guys in double figures last game. I don't know if that has happened all season. The Bulls don't have defensive players, especially with Noah and Butler out. Gibson is their only defensive player and he is a below average rebounder and shot blocker. They have been getting murdered on the glass and rim protection has been porous with Noah out. The Bulls are going to have to beat teams by playing good offense and avg. Defense. They don't have the personnel to shut teams down defensively. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
IMU wrote: Don't you watch the games? I'm not 100 point score hustling though. I got it wrong. I admitted it. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
long time guy wrote: IMU wrote: long time guy wrote: They have scored more than a 100 points in 11 straight games. What? No they haven't. I read it somewhere. Didn't check for verification.  They've given up 100 points in 11 straight games, you putz. |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Fri Feb 26, 2016 9:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
Nas wrote: They lost most of those games too because they were giving up too many points. McDermott has looked good since the All Star break but it has nothing to do with Butler being out. He's making shots he was missing and being aggressive. His issue offensively appeared to be confidence. I called that earlier this month. he is looking better because he is moving without the ball....instead of standing by the 3 point line picking his ass.Nas pat your self on the back....dope |
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| Author: | Brick [ Fri Feb 26, 2016 9:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
Douchebag wrote: long time guy wrote: IMU wrote: long time guy wrote: They have scored more than a 100 points in 11 straight games. What? No they haven't. I read it somewhere. Didn't check for verification. They've given up 100 points in 11 straight games, you putz.
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| Author: | Nas [ Fri Feb 26, 2016 10:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
Walt Williams Neck wrote: Nas wrote: They lost most of those games too because they were giving up too many points. McDermott has looked good since the All Star break but it has nothing to do with Butler being out. He's making shots he was missing and being aggressive. His issue offensively appeared to be confidence. I called that earlier this month. he is looking better because he is moving without the ball....instead of standing by the 3 point line picking his ass.Nas pat your self on the back....dope I definitely will. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
Douchebag wrote: long time guy wrote: IMU wrote: long time guy wrote: They have scored more than a 100 points in 11 straight games. What? No they haven't. I read it somewhere. Didn't check for verification. They've given up 100 points in 11 straight games, you putz.
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| Author: | spmack [ Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
Douchebag wrote: long time guy wrote: IMU wrote: long time guy wrote: They have scored more than a 100 points in 11 straight games. What? No they haven't. I read it somewhere. Didn't check for verification. They've given up 100 points in 11 straight games, you putz.
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| Author: | Brick [ Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
I'm not trying to pile on here but that is one of my favorite posts ever here. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: I'm not trying to pile on here but that is one of my favorite posts ever here. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... 5H80pGIX7w Good time to go for the old save to stop the bleeding. Same team same season. For the record you are in fact trying to pIle on. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
long time guy wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: I'm not trying to pile on here but that is one of my favorite posts ever here. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... 5H80pGIX7w Good time to go for the old save to stop the bleeding. Same team same season. Awesome.
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fred Hoiberg vs Jimmy Butler |
I don't care what happened a month and a half ago. Right now they have given up 100 points in 11 straight games. We are talking about right now. |
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