Per Chris Mannix of SI on his 'The Vertical' podcast.

If this is accurate, I'm guessing they might think it's 'easier' (?) to trade a player than fire Hoiberg and be paying out on three coaches at once because ... I don't know.

Easily the worst major franchise in town right now, top to bottom.

I'm admittedly far from a Bulls expert and consider myself a casual fan.

I tend to agree with the franchise being directionless and troubled at this point.

Serious question - Why would you want to trade Butler and keep Rose? Shouldn't that be the other way around?

I'm admittedly far from a Bulls expert and consider myself a casual fan.

I tend to agree with the franchise being directionless and troubled at this point.

Serious question - Why would you want to trade Butler and keep Rose? Shouldn't that be the other way around?

Might be the Sox at the bottom, but whatever, not much of a difference at this point. This team should be in the ECF with a competent coach, or maybe just second round fodder. No that's not what you'd ideally want, but the fact that they won't be in the ECF or probably the second round demonstrates how lousy of a coach this guy is.

They should definitely be listening to offers for him, but it worries me that they are actively shopping him, if this is true. He should only be dealt if you are getting a lot back in return.

What's the point with Bozo standing on the sidelines? The GS Warriors would be 35 games worse than where they are now if Hoiberg were over there. "Next Steve Kerr" my ass.

He's not going to be around after next season. Vinny was only here two years and I think he actually made the playoffs both years iirc. They'll move on from him quick if next season is anything near as disastrous as this season.

He's not going to be around after next season. Vinny was only here two years and I think he actually made the playoffs both years iirc. They'll move on from him quick if next season is anything near as disastrous as this season.

The 12th to 18th best player in the NBA isn't cut out to be the second best player on a championship team? GTFO.

Don't disparage Butler because Hoiberg is a terrible coach and Butler is currently nursing an injury.

It's interesting that the Bulls are considering trading Butler. They are obviously souring on their Jimmy Butler as the best player model. Maybe don't think he is a viable option as a #2 guy. #3 on a championship contender.

Here's the thing: if Hoiberg sucks then why move Butler? Fire Hoiberg then figure out how to use Butler. Like you said, they're probably not going to fire Hoiberg this off-season, but then if they're shopping Butler that means they're moving a decent asset to appease someone they're going to fire anyway. Of course this assumes that Hoiberg wants Butler gone, and that GarPax recognizes that Hoiberg blows.

And yeah I know Butler is not cut out to be your best player. Probably not good enough to be your second best player on a championship team. That being said, he's an asset the Bulls should leverage either on the court or in a trade designed to get better, not to appease some no name incompetent coach. Screw your supposedly crisp ball movement when Butler's on the bench, get me some wins or gtfo.

This is the most value that Butler will have. I'm not in favor of moving him but if another team is willing to overpay because they think Butler is a top ten or even 15 player, then you move him. The Bulls should be able to get 2 starting caliber players for Butler if he is that good. By that I mean they should be able to acquire 2 guys that are top 10 at their position.

I'm glad you aren't the GM of the team. I would be fucking pissed if they traded Butler for two decent guys. What are you trying to win right now?

No. If you trade him, you're looking to get very high draft picks and/or very promising rookies or 2nd year guys back. And you have no idea if the part in bold is true and either do I, but I'm guessing it's not true.

I agree that this is the most value Butler will ever have. And Vegan is correct... he's a great #3 on a championship team, but probably not a good #2.

The best #2s in the NBA right now include:
Klay Thompson or Draymond
Durant or Westbrook
Kyrie Irving
LaMarcus Aldridge
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Those are.your title contenders, and I'd take every one of those guys over Butler, age notwithstanding.

This is why you tend to get a lot of this stuff wrong. You have to be able to see that he is a 28 yr old guy that has probably maximized his ability. You can't wait until he begins to slide and then attempt to trade him. He will be about 30 31 at that point and you won't be able to get much.

You're not going to get top five picks for Jimmy Butler and to be honest don't know if I'd make that move even if you could. Picks are relative to who ever is in that yr's draft. If its the 15 draft yeah. If it's this yrs or the 2014 draft nope. Simply stating "picks" is not enough.

Boston couldn't give those picks away last season. That's illustrative of their overall lack of value.

The NBA is a man's league. You don't win with young players. Give me two guys that are top 10 at their position for Butler and you start building with that.

With all due respect to Vegan, I called that one months ago. I agree with your points about the top #2 guys in the league. I'd take any of them over Butler.

I don't get a lot of NBA stuff wrong. Let's correct stuff you got wrong though. Butler is 26, not 28 years old. It's tough to say he's maximized his ability when he currently is still getting better every season he plays. I also made no mention of waiting 4-5 years until he's 30-31 to trade him so you can also knock that shit off too.

It's simple: when you have a star player clashing with the coach and front office and the team is actively trying to trade him, his value will inherently be lower than it otherwise would. This isn't complicated. So you have a pretty difficult sell on your hands if you want to try to make the case his value at it's highest. I would suggest starting with getting his age correct.




The Celtics were trying to give away a top 5 pick and nobody wanted it? This is why you're a joke of a poster when it comes to the NBA. I mean, just say that shit out loud and realize how stupid it sounds.