Yes, by a comfortable margin.

His value just went up this season, no?

I guess KC Johnson is voting!

If you have a win now team (Cleveland), absolutely. If you are looking at the long-term, probably not.
His playing philosphy will have players break down over time. After all, Noah's gone this year and it is most likely a direct result of the last few years.

If you have a win now team (Cleveland), absolutely. If you are looking at the long-term, probably not.
His playing philosphy will have players break down over time. After all, Noah's gone this year and it is most likely a direct result of the last few years.

Honestly I think Minnesota is the best place for Thibodeau, but I hope he doesn't so Jerry has to continue to pay 2 coaches with no playoff revenue next year too.

No shit, there. He was getting his shots in on Thibs the other day.

The top 7 guys in the Bulls rotation will have missed a combined total of 171 games by the end of this season. In Thibs 1st season coaching he had 7 or 8 guys play in 80 or more games. In his 2nd yr. 6 played in 60 or more games. (Only 66 games).

During the Augustin season which many tout as his most significant coaching achievement, top 7 missed 104 games (72 of them by Rose).

The fact remains that for all the talk regarding next man up his teams were relatively speaking healthy in most cases. In some instances they were remarkably healthy. He probably gets them to their playoffs as an 8th seed if all things are equal. It's not the slam dunk that some believe it to be though. They should have won more than 50 last season.

Mike Dunleavy is like an 11th man on a good team at this point. Let's just stop.

The Bulls can't be considered both talent laden and have Mike Dunleavy in their starting lineup. The same goes for Taj Gibson. That is probably the shittiest starting forward combo in the league.

That is why I choose to cut Hoiberg a little slack. He has made mistakes but the biggest issue on this team is talent. There is a major deficit in that area. I overrated some of their guys, namely Mirotic and Snell. I have repeatedly stated that Dunleavy as a starting 3 isn't going to cut it. Taj as your starting 4 wasnt going to do it either. We got both this yr. and the results were not all that surprising.

For what it's worth he is your starting 3 man though so he has to be factored in the top 7 players. He also started for Thibs.

So your talent must suck if Dunleavy in your starting lineup, yet a team that won 50 games with him in the starting lineup underachieved?

So Thibs' problem while he was here was that he wasn't conscientious enough about his players' health, and now that he's gone, the problem with comparing him to Hoiberg is that his players were too healthy. Got it.

The two players who missed the most games this year were Noah, who was promptly benched by the boy genius at the start of the season anyway, and Dunleavy, who's scarcely looked better than the craptastic wings who had to fill in for him. Injuries are not a convincing excuse for Hoiberg's performance, and if talent is the issue, then the people who assembled the talent should not be the ones trusted with the opportunity to rebuild the roster.

You sure didn't seem to have a problem with FavreFan's assertion that he is an 11th man on a good team.

He was a much better player last season. Having him in your starting lineup didn't kill the Bulls. He looks to be finished this season. If you are arguing that he is a quality NBA player after watching him this season then I don't know what to tell you. He is finished. Taj Gibson isn't that good either. Worse pair of starting forwards in the league.

I never blamed Thibs for the injuries so I don't know where you are getting that from.

The top 7 guys have missed a combined 171 games this season. Injuries to key guys effect every team in every sport. It doesn't jive with the Hoiberg sucks narrative and thus it must be ignored.

It's not that his players were too healthy either. He never had the injuries that Hoiberg endured this yr. I provided facts not opinions. The Bulls used over 20 different starting lineups this season.

Hoiberg may be a bad coach but when you look at the Bulls you see that this is not a talented team. I think that he would have had this team in the playoffs, but you only need about 2 more wins in order to accomplish this. That isn't really saying much.

But across the board that was the primary issue between him and the front office cited for his sacking.

Again, over 100 of those games are from Noah, who was benched, and Dunleavy, who was no better than anyone who replaced him. I would also say that the use of top 7 alone is a rather coarse measure given that the loss of #7 weighted no differently from the loss of your top guy.

The Bulls missed 188 games due to injury in 2012-2013, with their indisputable best player out for the entirety of the season.


Again, I'm happy to give Hoiberg slack on the talent issue, but that just indicates gross mismanagement by those responsible for collecting that talent. And given that the Bulls 142.5 games lost due to injury on average over the preceding 4 years, the injuries could be seen neither as unprecedented nor unexpected by the management in question.