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 Post subject: Re: Darling?
PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 9:48 pm 
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Is he really better right now?

Is it because the preds went high on every shot and Darling might be better at blocking those just due to his size?

In game 1, I know Darling blocked everything, but he seemed to not gain control on many?

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Yes, he is better. Today marks the changing of the guard for the Blackhawks. Cro will have trade value and hopefully he'll play somewhere else next year and the Hawks can get a couple of good young players in return.


Uhmmm? Still good on this?


I think Crawford is good, but Darling is good too. AND DARLING IS CHEAPER. That's why you trade Crawford cuz the Hawks need cap space money. Toews and Kaners new money starts next year.

How long is darling under control before he is a free agent. Is it like baseball? How does this hockey shit work?


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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 9:50 pm 
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Being good is one thing...being able go wire to wire in a momentum changing semi final playoff game, thats the stones you pay for.

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Being good is one thing...being able go wire to wire in a momentum changing semi final playoff game, thats the stones you pay for.

Agreed, but they still might have to trade him this summer. At least his value will be sky-high if he keeps this up.

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Curious Hair, do the Hawks control Darling a few years before they have to pay him? I know he's older, but he's still a rookie, right?

Do they have arbitration and shit like that before free agency like in MLB.


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Being good is one thing...being able go wire to wire in a momentum changing semi final playoff game, thats the stones you pay for.

Agreed, but they still might have to trade him this summer. At least his value will be sky-high if he keeps this up.

Having to trade him doesnt make Darling better, just more cap friendly...I understand , they think their defense is what makes a goalie better...and maybe they are right....but its one thing to come into a game down 3-0, but to shut out a team in a game 3 like that is damn big.

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Scorehead wrote:
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Is he really better right now?

Is it because the preds went high on every shot and Darling might be better at blocking those just due to his size?

In game 1, I know Darling blocked everything, but he seemed to not gain control on many?

Need that guy from the COMMITTED INDIAN to answer my hockey questions!


Yes, he is better. Today marks the changing of the guard for the Blackhawks. Cro will have trade value and hopefully he'll play somewhere else next year and the Hawks can get a couple of good young players in return.


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Curious Hair, do the Hawks control Darling a few years before they have to pay him? I know he's older, but he's still a rookie, right?

Do they have arbitration and shit like that before free agency like in MLB.

He'll hit unrestricted free agency after his new contract expires because he'll be over 27. Cost control lasts through seven years of service or age 27, whichever comes first.

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 Post subject: Re: Darling?
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Curious Hair wrote:
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Curious Hair, do the Hawks control Darling a few years before they have to pay him? I know he's older, but he's still a rookie, right?

Do they have arbitration and shit like that before free agency like in MLB.

He'll hit unrestricted free agency after his new contract expires because he'll be over 27. Cost control lasts through seven years of service or age 27, whichever comes first.


When does his contract expire?


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Summer of 2017. He was on a one-year deal this season and signed a two-year extension during the season. $587,500 cap hit for those two years. $6MM for Crawford.

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Summer of 2017. He was on a one-year deal this season and signed a two-year extension during the season. $587,500 cap hit for those two years. $6MM for Crawford.


Ok. Cool. Gotta trade Crawford to get that difference in money.


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 Post subject: Re: Darling?
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I'm sure the Hawks would try to trade him to the East. Even take a little less over a Western Conference team.


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 Post subject: Re: Darling?
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The Hawks strategy should be to draft the best available goalie with their first rounder in this draft. Then dump Darling in 2 years when they have to pay him. Plug in the kid.

They didn't pay Antti Niemi after the first Cup. I thought that was Bownen's strategy. Find a goalie. Whomever. Never pay them big money when they are due. But he paid Crawford.


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I thought they were dumb to let nieme go at the time. And I don't get why they then paid Crawford a few years later.


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Beardown wrote:
The Hawks strategy should be to draft the best available goalie with their first rounder in this draft. Then dump Darling in 2 years when they have to pay him. Plug in the kid.


First of all, they don't have a natural first-round or second-round pick. They traded the first for Vermette and the second for Timonen. (They have a compensatory 2nd from not signing Kevin Hayes.) Second, drafting goalies in the first round is very stupid. You pick them up in later rounds or sign them undrafted.

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I thought they were dumb to let nieme go at the time. And I don't get why they then paid Crawford a few years later.

Niemi went to arbitration and San Jose broke the gentlemen's agreement and offer-sheeted Hjalmarsson so that we had to choose between one of the two. We chose right. They chose wrong.

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Curious Hair wrote:
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The Hawks strategy should be to draft the best available goalie with their first rounder in this draft. Then dump Darling in 2 years when they have to pay him. Plug in the kid.


First of all, they don't have a natural first-round or second-round pick. They traded the first for Vermette and the second for Timonen. (They have a compensatory 2nd from not signing Kevin Hayes.) Second, drafting goalies in the first round is very stupid. You pick them up in later rounds or sign them undrafted.


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Niemi went to arbitration and San Jose broke the gentlemen's agreement and offer-sheeted Hjalmarsson so that we had to choose between one of the two. We chose right. They chose wrong.


Yeah vaguely remember that. Didn't Niemi want 3M or something at the time? I love me some Hjalmar.


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 Post subject: Re: Darling?
PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 11:20 pm 
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You wait. One day I'll know hockey!!!!

It's okay. The New York Islanders made the same mistake and they're an actual team, I think.

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