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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:17 pm 
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to Joel Quenneville. He deserves it. Just blank check it. Give him split ownership of the franchise.

He is definitely what a team should want in a coach.

At least Chicago has two good coaches.

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I'm okay with this. As much criticism as this guy gets, he gets the most out of veteran players and has been a big reason for at least 2 of the 3 cups. I know how frustrated people get with how he handles rookies and his doghouse. It sucks and I was sounding that horn when the likes of a Brandon Pirri weren't seeing any ice time. This year it was Panik. Yet, they win. A lot.

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No one who wants Quenneville gone has been able to suggest someone better.

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No one who wants Quenneville gone has been able to suggest someone better.


Pretty much Bowman and Babcock, right? I mean, that's really the other options.

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Scotty Bowman hasn't coached in 14 years. I doubt he wants to start again. He's old.

Guys like DeBoer, Bylsma, and McLellan are all solid coaches. They're not improvements on Quenneville. Ruff and Laviolette make the puck go in the net, but Laviolette is also about as pleasant to be around as a caged raccoon and loses a dressing room in ~2 years. If Q were to retire at the end of the year and the Hawks had to find a new coach, anyone they found would be a downgrade.

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 Post subject: Re: Lifetime Contract
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to Joel Quenneville. He deserves it. Just blank check it. Give him split ownership of the franchise.

He is definitely what a team should want in a coach.

At least Chicago has two good coaches.



Absolute power, is never a good thing.

He is a GREAT coach, but you give him full control, and the ability not to be able to be fired, and things might change. People need to be checked sometimes.


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Let's risk it. I find that I like my favorite sports teams being good for an elongated period of time.

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He is a GREAT coach, but you give him full control, and the ability not to be able to be fired, and things might change. People need to be checked sometimes.
I'm sure he wakes up every day in fear that he is going to be fired.

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He's signed through 2020/age 61, right? The guy has been in organized hockey every year of his life since 1975. Effectively speaking, this is a lifetime contract.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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He is a GREAT coach, but you give him full control, and the ability not to be able to be fired, and things might change. People need to be checked sometimes.
I'm sure he wakes up every day in fear that he is going to be fired.




Did I say, he was a bad coach? Sometimes people change, organizations have to make changes. I do not think, Q is Hockey's Bill Walsh.


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He's more like Roy Williams: he had a long and successful run as coach of a very good team but couldn't win the big one, then went to a better organization and won. Unless Bill Walsh was somewhere good before the 49ers, I dunno.

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He's more like Roy Williams: he had a long and successful run as coach of a very good team but couldn't win the big one, then went to a better organization and won. Unless Bill Walsh was somewhere good before the 49ers, I dunno.


The Roy Williams comparison is pretty spot on.
I'm having a hard time coming up with another coach in any sport that did anything similar to Q and Williams.

Most seem to have been in a bad spot and bounced somewhere good (Belichick)

Walsh was just an assistant bouncing around before 2 years at Stanford.

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I watched that Football Life about the '95 Browns. Belichick really had an amazing staff in Cleveland with a very thorough process. They sure did lose a lot of games, though. Kinda reminds me of Theo and the Cubs, if the Cubs decided to move to Las Vegas because they didn't get enough free stuff.

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I watched that Football Life about the '95 Browns. Belichick really had an amazing staff in Cleveland with a very thorough process. They sure did lose a lot of games, though. Kinda reminds me of Theo and the Cubs, if the Cubs decided to move to Las Vegas because they didn't get enough free stuff.


I remember watching that too. Really good staff. Really bad players.

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Cashman wrote:
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He is a GREAT coach, but you give him full control, and the ability not to be able to be fired, and things might change. People need to be checked sometimes.
I'm sure he wakes up every day in fear that he is going to be fired.


Did I say, he was a bad coach? Sometimes people change, organizations have to make changes. I do not think, Q is Hockey's Bill Walsh.

Your comma key broken? Randomly throw a bunch in and hope some of them are where they should be?

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I'm okay with this. As much criticism as this guy gets, he gets the most out of veteran players and has been a big reason for at least 2 of the 3 cups. I know how frustrated people get with how he handles rookies and his doghouse. It sucks and I was sounding that horn when the likes of a Brandon Pirri weren't seeing any ice time. This year it was Panik. Yet, they win. A lot.


What criticism does he get? Barely any. I sometimes question some line decisions as others do (see last year's playoffs benching of TT, Vermette), but he's more than earned the benefit of the doubt and you can't argue with results. He's far and away the best players coach in the league and will be here as long as he wants.


Panik isn't a rookie or in a doghouse. He just got here a month ago and has been playing regularly.

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No one who wants Quenneville gone has been able to suggest someone better.

Kaner for player/coach.

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I'm very impressed with this John Hynes out in Jersey (via Wilkes-Barre/Scranton). He's had a thoroughly mediocre Devils team hanging around the wild cards while the Penguins and Senators can't stay in the hunt with game-changing talent. Gerard Gallant is going to get some coach-of-the-year love for having the team playing most over its head, but let's see how he does after Luongo's third act ends in a few months.

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I'm okay with this. As much criticism as this guy gets, he gets the most out of veteran players and has been a big reason for at least 2 of the 3 cups. I know how frustrated people get with how he handles rookies and his doghouse. It sucks and I was sounding that horn when the likes of a Brandon Pirri weren't seeing any ice time. This year it was Panik. Yet, they win. A lot.


What criticism does he get? Barely any. I sometimes question some line decisions as others do (see last year's playoffs benching of TT, Vermette), but he's more than earned the benefit of the doubt and you can't argue with results. He's far and away the best players coach in the league and will be here as long as he wants.


Panik isn't a rookie or in a doghouse. He just got here a month ago and has been playing regularly.


Criticisms I've heard are that he juggles the lines too much (don't agree with this at all), he leans on veterans too much (see Handzus. I can understand some of the complaint here), he doesn't do a good job of developing players (again, don't really agree with this one and not many players that have left have panned out in other places) and I'm sure there are others.

It was mentioned in the Trib that Panik was in his doghouse because he overslept and missed a meeting:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/hockey/blackhawks/ct-richard-panik-adjusts-report-blackhawks-spt-0205-20160204-story.html

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one game benching for missing practice is hardly being in the doghouse, especially when compared to the Pirri situation.

Q gets some criticism from time to time, but in the grand scheme of things, not much criticism at all. And definitely none this entire season.

Only complaint I had all season was starting Darling in Carolina last week. I would've started Crawford since he had 5 days of rest to look forward to after that and the team had lost the game before.

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I watched that Football Life about the '95 Browns. Belichick really had an amazing staff in Cleveland with a very thorough process. They sure did lose a lot of games, though. Kinda reminds me of Theo and the Cubs, if the Cubs decided to move to Las Vegas because they didn't get enough free stuff.

That team quit when it was announced they were moving to Baltimore.

Kirk Ferentz getting it done on the O Line.


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Saban and Ferentz would have to be the most successful Belichick underlings, right? But they were Cleveland guys; everyone who came out of New England (Weis, Crennel, McDaniels) was a miserable failure.

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