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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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Invoking your constitutional protections is not "covering up"
In this particular scenario, it absolutely appears this was the case.
I suggest you watch "The Drumhead" episode of Star Trek TNG. Pay particular attention to the scene where Picard and Worf are having a discussion in the observation lounge.
I suggest you admit that RFDC and I and correct, and that we shouldn't waste our time watching nerd shows to try and understand some pedantic point you're trying to make.

You are advocating for taking a fundamental right guaranteed by our constitution and turning its very use against the person/entity using it, I refuse to do that.
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It's like everybody involved made the worst decisions possible. The whole thing is weird.

first sentence is correct. the second... change weird to bad
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Invoking your constitutional protections is not "covering up"
In this particular scenario, it absolutely appears this was the case.
I suggest you watch "The Drumhead" episode of Star Trek TNG. Pay particular attention to the scene where Picard and Worf are having a discussion in the observation lounge.
I suggest you admit that RFDC and I and correct, and that we shouldn't waste our time watching nerd shows to try and understand some pedantic point you're trying to make.

You are advocating for taking a fundamental right guaranteed by our constitution and turning its very use against the person/entity using it, I refuse to do that.


so if your neighbor had their amazon package stolen. and your doorbell camera got a view of the offender. you arent turning that video over without a subpoena?

Or, you are OK with bad people using their constitutional rights? that's fine, but you have to understand it doesnt look good and it is more than fair to criticize them for covering up.
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
You are advocating for taking a fundamental right
Where did I say this?

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billypootons wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Invoking your constitutional protections is not "covering up"
In this particular scenario, it absolutely appears this was the case.
I suggest you watch "The Drumhead" episode of Star Trek TNG. Pay particular attention to the scene where Picard and Worf are having a discussion in the observation lounge.
I suggest you admit that RFDC and I and correct, and that we shouldn't waste our time watching nerd shows to try and understand some pedantic point you're trying to make.

You are advocating for taking a fundamental right guaranteed by our constitution and turning its very use against the person/entity using it, I refuse to do that.


so if your neighbor had their amazon package stolen. and your doorbell camera got a view of the offender. you arent turning that video over without a subpoena?

Or, you are OK with bad people using their constitutional rights? that's fine, but you have to understand it doesnt look good and it is more than fair to criticize them for covering up.


"Bad people shouldn't use their constitutional rights or be criticized for using them." No thanks.
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
You are advocating for taking a fundamental right
Where did I say this?

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Blackhawks released a statement today:


Dear Blackhawks fans,

If I told you in 2009 that we could win 3 Cups in 5 years, but in return someone would get molested, would any of you objected?

You're welcome.

fuck if the Bears make that statement today I'm 100% making that deal with the devil. I was born after 85 and I'm fairly certain there is no other way I'll see them win.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
You are advocating for taking a fundamental right
Where did I say this?

:roll:
So you admit I didn't say it.

Good work. Enjoy your Star Trek.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
You are advocating for taking a fundamental right
Where did I say this?

:roll:
So you admit I didn't say it.

Good work. Enjoy your Star Trek.

I never alleged that you said it.
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A 1st round lottery pick with the tools to step in after departures that everyone knew would be coming due to cap squeeze isn't exactly someone working his way up. He is someone who essentially has his spot already there for him. Dustin Byfuglien's or Troy Brouwer's spot was literally his to take by just showing up and doing work. Clearly the scouting on him was way off because damn was he soft.

This wasn't some 5th rounder selected from a podunk USHL team


https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdi ... ?pid=90922

He had high PIM while putting up points in the WHL, the stats show he only played eight games with Rockford in 2009-2010. You're correct, he was a first rounder from a 100,000 person town in BC. But, he was someone who was just beginning his journey and looking at the numbers a bit of a cement-head. 20 years old and up with the big team, you think he understood he was getting Buff or Brouwer's spot? Come on, you're smarter than this.

It seems like every blog understood he'd have a big opportunity to play in Chicago because we all knew it was win in 2010 or there won't be a chance for a few years because key pieces were going to be gone. Had he lived up to potential, he would've been playing the Bryan Bickell or Brandon Saad role in 2013. He had Top 6 written all over him when drafted.

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so if your neighbor had their amazon package stolen. and your doorbell camera got a view of the offender. you arent turning that video over without a subpoena?

Or, you are OK with bad people using their constitutional rights? that's fine, but you have to understand it doesnt look good and it is more than fair to criticize them for covering up.


Exactly. It's a constitutional right, not an obligation. They could have done the right thing without giving up their rights.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
You are advocating for taking a fundamental right
Where did I say this?
:roll:
So you admit I didn't say it.

Good work. Enjoy your Star Trek.
I never alleged that you said it.
:roll:

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how's for bad timing. My brother is taking his 8 year old son to his first Hawks game tonight.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
You are advocating for taking a fundamental right
Where did I say this?
:roll:
So you admit I didn't say it.

Good work. Enjoy your Star Trek.
I never alleged that you said it.
:roll:

Keep your phone charged.
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how's for bad timing. My brother is taking his 8 year old son to his first Hawks game tonight.

Will they get a tour of the training room?

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
shakes wrote:
Blackhawks released a statement today:


Dear Blackhawks fans,

If I told you in 2009 that we could win 3 Cups in 5 years, but in return someone would get molested, would any of you objected?

You're welcome.

fuck if the Bears make that statement today I'm 100% making that deal with the devil. I was born after 85 and I'm fairly certain there is no other way I'll see them win.

That's disturbing.

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Regular Reader wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
shakes wrote:
Blackhawks released a statement today:


Dear Blackhawks fans,

If I told you in 2009 that we could win 3 Cups in 5 years, but in return someone would get molested, would any of you objected?

You're welcome.

fuck if the Bears make that statement today I'm 100% making that deal with the devil. I was born after 85 and I'm fairly certain there is no other way I'll see them win.

That's disturbing.

If this question was anonymously polled here, 80% of the posters would make the same deal for a dynasty. The other 20% are lying

Sure it's a Faustian bargain, but aren't most?

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I would be in the 20%. I already said that if this happened with the Sox, who are far and away my favorite team, I would be crushed.

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I would be in the 20%. I already said that if this happened with the Sox, who are far and away my favorite team, I would be crushed.

I don't make that deal with the Sox merely because I have 2005. If I didn't have 2005, I'm making that deal. I don't have 1985 with the Bears as I was born after that.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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I would be in the 20%. I already said that if this happened with the Sox, who are far and away my favorite team, I would be crushed.

I don't make that deal with the Sox merely because I have 2005. If I didn't have 2005, I'm making that deal. I don't have 1985 with the Bears as I was born after that.

I don't make that deal about anything sports related. And if I ever considered it, I'd consider myself a fanatic, not a fan.

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Regular Reader wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
I would be in the 20%. I already said that if this happened with the Sox, who are far and away my favorite team, I would be crushed.

I don't make that deal with the Sox merely because I have 2005. If I didn't have 2005, I'm making that deal. I don't have 1985 with the Bears as I was born after that.

I don't make that deal about anything sports related. And if I ever considered it, I'd consider myself a fanatic, not a fan.

*points at name on top of website* :lol:

I mean Deshaun Watson might be a rapist, but if him being our QB won us a Super Bowl, fuck it I'm in. Pittsburgh knows how that deal works and they don't regret it.

I mean Watson would be our QB if our GM wasn't an idiot

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It's just some professional sports team that doesn't give a shit about me personally. That's why I still play sports, I can feel good about my own team's and my own accomplishments and I'm not desperate to cheer for a bunch of dirtbags because I completely lack perspective.
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I mean Deshaun Watson might be a rapist, but if him being our QB won us a Super Bowl, fuck it I'm in. Pittsburgh knows how that deal works and they don't regret it.
I think having somebody on the team who has been accused or convicted is a lot different than the team themselves covering up such egregious acts. It's two completely different situations.

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It's just some professional sports team that doesn't give a shit about me personally. That's why I still play sports, I can feel good about my own team's and my own accomplishments and I'm not desperate to cheer for a bunch of dirtbags because I completely lack perspective.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
I would be in the 20%. I already said that if this happened with the Sox, who are far and away my favorite team, I would be crushed.

I don't make that deal with the Sox merely because I have 2005. If I didn't have 2005, I'm making that deal. I don't have 1985 with the Bears as I was born after that.

I don't make that deal about anything sports related. And if I ever considered it, I'd consider myself a fanatic, not a fan.

*points at name on top of website* :lol:

I mean Deshaun Watson might be a rapist, but if him being our QB won us a Super Bowl, fuck it I'm in. Pittsburgh knows how that deal works and they don't regret it.

I mean Watson would be our QB if our GM wasn't an idiot

:lol: You're right, the website name increasingly says it all.

And maybe I'm wrong, but covering up for a pervert who was sexually assaulting a guy in my amoral organization and at my facility is a bit different than a goof who was taking liberties with "masseuses" (ahem) in his private life.

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Regular Reader wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
I would be in the 20%. I already said that if this happened with the Sox, who are far and away my favorite team, I would be crushed.

I don't make that deal with the Sox merely because I have 2005. If I didn't have 2005, I'm making that deal. I don't have 1985 with the Bears as I was born after that.

I don't make that deal about anything sports related. And if I ever considered it, I'd consider myself a fanatic, not a fan.

*points at name on top of website* :lol:

I mean Deshaun Watson might be a rapist, but if him being our QB won us a Super Bowl, fuck it I'm in. Pittsburgh knows how that deal works and they don't regret it.

I mean Watson would be our QB if our GM wasn't an idiot

:lol: You're right, the website name increasingly says it all.

And maybe I'm wrong, but covering up for a pervert who was sexually assaulting a guy in my amoral organization and at my facility is a bit different than a goof who was taking liberties with "masseuses" (ahem) in his private life.


This. 100% This

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Regular Reader wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
I would be in the 20%. I already said that if this happened with the Sox, who are far and away my favorite team, I would be crushed.

I don't make that deal with the Sox merely because I have 2005. If I didn't have 2005, I'm making that deal. I don't have 1985 with the Bears as I was born after that.

I don't make that deal about anything sports related. And if I ever considered it, I'd consider myself a fanatic, not a fan.

*points at name on top of website* :lol:

I mean Deshaun Watson might be a rapist, but if him being our QB won us a Super Bowl, fuck it I'm in. Pittsburgh knows how that deal works and they don't regret it.

I mean Watson would be our QB if our GM wasn't an idiot

:lol: You're right, the website name increasingly says it all.

And maybe I'm wrong, but covering up for a pervert who was sexually assaulting a guy in my amoral organization and at my facility is a bit different than a goof who was taking liberties with "masseuses" (ahem) in his private life.

I need to correct a fact here. The assault happened at Aldrich's apartment, not a team facility. Which begs the question why Beach went there in the first place.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
I would be in the 20%. I already said that if this happened with the Sox, who are far and away my favorite team, I would be crushed.

I don't make that deal with the Sox merely because I have 2005. If I didn't have 2005, I'm making that deal. I don't have 1985 with the Bears as I was born after that.

I don't make that deal about anything sports related. And if I ever considered it, I'd consider myself a fanatic, not a fan.

*points at name on top of website* :lol:

I mean Deshaun Watson might be a rapist, but if him being our QB won us a Super Bowl, fuck it I'm in. Pittsburgh knows how that deal works and they don't regret it.

I mean Watson would be our QB if our GM wasn't an idiot

:lol: You're right, the website name increasingly says it all.

And maybe I'm wrong, but covering up for a pervert who was sexually assaulting a guy in my amoral organization and at my facility is a bit different than a goof who was taking liberties with "masseuses" (ahem) in his private life.

I need to correct a fact here. The assault happened at Aldrich's apartment, not a team facility. Which begs the question why Beach went there in the first place.


He was underage, booze, porn.

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Hawks execs probably laughed that a big 20 year old grown man athlete was molested by a 5' 5' little runt. A punch in the mouth would have halted his advances. If the Hawks immediately followed protocol, and notified authorities it's out of their hands. Doing the right thing wouldn't have hurt their Cup drives. I can't believe the Wirtz's were in the dark about this.
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