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I thought reports were she's 26?

random take: she was up for whatever when she left the club, but sounds like she had a lot to drink. she gets back to Kaner's, starts feeling unwell from all the alcohol + stopping drinking/sobering up, she asks to go lay down. goes into a room by herself to try to maintain/feel better. Kaner follows her in, assuming this is it. She's not feeling well, says "No"...


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New details emerging. Kaner looking scummier with each report:

http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/ ... e-20150809


"New details are emerging about the time that Patrick Kane spent in a downtown Buffalo nightclub last weekend and the allegations made by a woman who claims that Kane raped her after meeting her in the club and taking her to his Town of Hamburg waterfront home.

Sources with knowledge of the investigation said that the young woman who has accused the hockey superstar of rape had bite marks on her shoulders and a scratch on her leg after the alleged attack.

The woman alleges that Kane invited her and a female friend to his home for a private party after they met him last Saturday night at SkyBar, a popular nightclub on Franklin Street, the sources said.

Shortly after she and her friend arrived at Kane’s home on Old Lakeshore Road, the accuser alleges that she went by herself into another room, where Kane followed her, overpowered her and raped her, the sources said.

The woman left Kane’s home with her friend and used a cellphone to call a relative immediately after the alleged attack. She then went to a local hospital for examination, and police were called afterward, the sources said.

The alleged attack occurred about 4 a.m. last Sunday, about an hour after Kane was seen leaving SkyBar.

A person who knows the woman described her as frantic and traumatized when she called her relative to report what happened."

Has anyone else ever had consensual sex where theyve woken up with scratch marks all over their back, maybe a bite mark on the shoulder and don't really recall when 'during the act" it happened?



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The fact that the girl called a relative immediately after and went to the hospital right away are enough for me to lean towards her being raped. I am not sure how strong of evidence comes from a rape kit, but going right away is key. Plus there is another witness, her friend. Doesn't look good to me. It'll be interesting to see if he is charged.

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The fact that the girl called a relative immediately after and went to the hospital right away are enough for me to lean towards her being raped. I am not sure how strong of evidence comes from a rape kit, but going right away is key. Plus there is another witness, her friend. Doesn't look good to me. It'll be interesting to see if he is charged.


I'm not saying I disagree,but another possible scenario is she went there with the express purpose of getting Kane to have sex with her. Once that happened,she would want to get to a hospital immediately also.

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the alleged victim's the daughter of some well-to-do lawyer? If so, doubt she's going to attempt a bogus slipped-and-fell on a pro athlete's dick cause-of-action; too much at stake for daddy's reputation. Sounds like the crowd at that bar that night [including Kaner's defense atty and his wife] consisted of whatever passes for the upper deep dish crust in Buffalo.

Probably just an older, more confident type person who didn't take kindly to being (mis)treated that way. Image


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The fact that the girl called a relative immediately after and went to the hospital right away are enough for me to lean towards her being raped. I am not sure how strong of evidence comes from a rape kit, but going right away is key. Plus there is another witness, her friend. Doesn't look good to me. It'll be interesting to see if he is charged.


I'm not saying I disagree,but another possible scenario is she went there with the express purpose of getting Kane to have sex with her. Once that happened,she would want to get to a hospital immediately also.


You make her out to be some type of monster. I think the idea that she planned the whole scenario is a little far-fetched. What is in it for her? If she is calculating as you make her out to be, she would have to know that her named would be dragged through mud and her whole past would be public record...With what? the promise of a pay-off from Kane?

If she was looking to entrap Kane, getting knocked-up would be the better course of action.


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another possible scenario is she went there with the express purpose of getting Kane to have sex with her. Once that happened,she would want to get to a hospital immediately also.


You make her out to be some type of monster.


hey, gotta hear both sides!


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another possible scenario is she went there with the express purpose of getting Kane to have sex with her. Once that happened,she would want to get to a hospital immediately also.


You make her out to be some type of monster.


hey, gotta hear both sides!


I'd love to hear Kane's shitty defense. "I was really drunk, but she was all over me at the bar. She invited herself over to my house where my friends and I were going back to read Walt Whitman passages. We got to fooling around and she never said no at all. I have no idea why she would be distraught and call her family member and go to the hospital after leaving my place. She did comment that I had a real nice house. Oh, and those bite marks. She said she liked pain and loved when guys bit her. I didn't want to do that."


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another possible scenario is she went there with the express purpose of getting Kane to have sex with her. Once that happened,she would want to get to a hospital immediately also.


You make her out to be some type of monster.


hey, gotta hear both sides!


I'd love to hear Kane's shitty defense. "I was really drunk, but she was all over me at the bar. She invited herself over to my house where my friends and I were going back to read Walt Whitman passages. We got to fooling around and she never said no at all. I have no idea why she would be distraught and call her family member and go to the hospital after leaving my place. She did comment that I had a real nice house. Oh, and those bite marks. She said she liked pain and loved when guys bit her. I didn't want to do that."



Yeah, if these latest facts really are the facts they're not very good for Patrick Kane. But a few days ago he had statutorily raped a fifteen year old he picked up at a place called Mickey Rat's, so I'm not sure how credible any of the information we're getting is.

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Obviously the Buffalo news knows the name of the girl. I mean if they got her age they know who she is. They won't report it. Obviously. But somebody on twitter will. It's only a matter of time. People at the bar that night know who she is. It's gonna get out. Then life will be hell for her. She should take down her facebook and twitter right now so people don't grab her pics and post them all over the internet.


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The slimy bar owner will leak it.

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Obviously the Buffalo news knows the name of the girl. I mean if they got her age they know who she is. They won't report it. Obviously. But somebody on twitter will. It's only a matter of time. People at the bar that night know who she is. It's gonna get out. Then life will be hell for her. She should take down her facebook and twitter right now so people don't grab her pics and post them all over the internet.


This is the sad truth to this whole situation. Her whole past will become public record; Every guy she's been with, her sexual habits (is she into S&M), her mental awareness, grades, etc will be used against her. If you think Kobe Bryant's accuser had it rough, she never had to deal w/ social media (facebook, twitter). I don't envy the victim in what she faces in the future.


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Quadrophenia wrote:
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Obviously the Buffalo news knows the name of the girl. I mean if they got her age they know who she is. They won't report it. Obviously. But somebody on twitter will. It's only a matter of time. People at the bar that night know who she is. It's gonna get out. Then life will be hell for her. She should take down her facebook and twitter right now so people don't grab her pics and post them all over the internet.


This is the sad truth to this whole situation. Her whole past will become public record; Every guy she's been with, her sexual habits (is she into S&M), her mental awareness, grades, etc will be used against her. If you think Kobe Bryant's accuser had it rough, she never had to deal w/ social media (facebook, twitter). I don't envy the victim in what she faces in the future.



More reason not to do this unless it really happened. It's one thing if Kane gets charged and convicted. Imagine what happens if it is found out that you made this up? The little details released so far incline me to believe the woman from merely a logic perspective. You're playing a dangerous game if you're simply trying to entrap an athlete for a pay day. It's one thing to try to get pregnant (legal), and another to allege a serious crime.

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So in reading a good 55% of this thread, it seems split down the middle on if Kane did anything wrong


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For the people who think Kane is innocent, why would the woman make up what happened? What's in it for her?


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Obviously the Buffalo news knows the name of the girl. I mean if they got her age they know who she is. They won't report it. Obviously. But somebody on twitter will. It's only a matter of time. People at the bar that night know who she is. It's gonna get out. Then life will be hell for her. She should take down her facebook and twitter right now so people don't grab her pics and post them all over the internet.

The reporter on M&H said Buffalo News know who she is. They won't report the name.


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Yeah, if these latest facts really are the facts they're not very good for Patrick Kane. But a few days ago he had statutorily raped a fifteen year old he picked up at a place called Mickey Rat's, so I'm not sure how credible any of the information we're getting is.


Was that version anywhere besides Sport Mockery and the fake Bernstein Twitter account?


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Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.


Better dig deeper.

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I'd love to hear Kane's shitty defense. "I was really drunk, but she was all over me at the bar. She invited herself over to my house where my friends and I were going back to read Walt Whitman passages. We got to fooling around and she never said no at all. I have no idea why she would be distraught and call her family member and go to the hospital after leaving my place. She did comment that I had a real nice house. Oh, and those bite marks. She said she liked pain and loved when guys bit her. I didn't want to do that."



Yeah, if these latest facts really are the facts they're not very good for Patrick Kane. But a few days ago he had statutorily raped a fifteen year old he picked up at a place called Mickey Rat's, so I'm not sure how credible any of the information we're getting is.


I don't agree. If she was of age and went to the house willingly it will be very difficult to prove there wasn't consent. If the extent of physical "damage" left to her person is bite marks and there is no trauma to the vagina it will turn into a he said she said situation and its going to be nearly impossible to prove his guilt in a criminal court. Bite marks are not that out of the ordinary for consensual sex and by themselves would be very poor evidence to prove a rape.

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Bite marks are not that out of the ordinary for consensual sex and by themselves would be very poor evidence to prove a rape.



Thanks for posting, Pat.


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I'd love to hear Kane's shitty defense. "I was really drunk, but she was all over me at the bar. She invited herself over to my house where my friends and I were going back to read Walt Whitman passages. We got to fooling around and she never said no at all. I have no idea why she would be distraught and call her family member and go to the hospital after leaving my place. She did comment that I had a real nice house. Oh, and those bite marks. She said she liked pain and loved when guys bit her. I didn't want to do that."



Yeah, if these latest facts really are the facts they're not very good for Patrick Kane. But a few days ago he had statutorily raped a fifteen year old he picked up at a place called Mickey Rat's, so I'm not sure how credible any of the information we're getting is.



I don't agree. If she was of age and went to the house willingly it will be very difficult to prove there wasn't consent. If the extent of physical "damage" left to her person is bite marks and there is no trauma to the vagina it will turn into a he said she said situation and its going to be nearly impossible to prove his guilt in a criminal court. Bite marks are not that out of the ordinary for consensual sex and by themselves would be very poor evidence to prove a rape.

Her going over to the house doesn't give consent. Since her friend came along and he had his friends going back to his house, i take it more as an after party. Girls go to after parties all the time. Also, i don't think bite marks are the norm for sexual encounters. Especially for someone who just met. Do i think Kane is a crazed rapist? No, i think he was probably drunk and figured that since he got the girl home with him and alone in a room that he had the green light for sex. Was he too drunk to hear her saying stop? Did he get lost in the moment?

Whatever happened in that room, we do know that as soon as she left she is calling a family member @ 4am. I'm sure it wasn't a pleasant conversation taking place. Her actions after the incident give her story more credence IMO.


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For the people who think Kane is innocent, why would the woman make up what happened? What's in it for her?

Im hearing a lot of people saying she's after money. When told her family already has money it turns to "she wants fame" or "she wants her own money"


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"Beyond Reasonable doubt"....despite calling right away, she'll need more than bite marks to prove this.

This will be an interesting case and regardless of outcome, bad for Kane.

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