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 Post subject: Re: 2024-2025 Season
PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:39 am 
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listened to boomer gordon and jake hahn on nhl network's 'the point' and they gave their grades for the blackhawks current season.

i like listening to these guys, but boomer is way off on his 'F'. 15 minute segment and boomer spent the first 5 minutes talking about the winter classic debacle. if that one game is what he's weighing and measuring for a grade, ok.

i had posted that the club has a +36 goal differential (despite the heavy 16 empty-net goals against albatross on the differential) compared to this time last year. soderblom has emerged as a potential #1 G, going forward. the young d-corps is almost ripe.

jake hahn gave the blackhawks a 'D-'. he's not sure if bedard is happy and said next year it's imperative the club make strides.

there are 32 clubs in the nhl. these guys can't and obviously can't watch every game. it's evident here.
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 Post subject: Re: 2024-2025 Season
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NWsider4-3-3 wrote:
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this 4 nations break after 55 games sees the blackhawks' record at: 17-31-7 for 41 points. after 55 games last year, the blackhawks' record was: 15-37-3 for 33 points.

through the 55 games, a few things stick out comparing goal differentials for last season and this current season; the blackhawks are 36 goals better (goal differential) than last year. the blackhawks have scored 34 goals more this year, the blackhawks have allowed 2 goals less this year.

i'd give mrazek 3 out of 5 stars for this year and give soderblom 3.5/4 out of 5 stars. yet, they've allowed only 2 less goals than last year's disaster season. 16 empty net goals against doesn't help. the club has been much more competitive late in games....not enough juice to get a game-tieing goal late and frustrating empty-net goals against occur.

the goal numbers and eye test tell us the club is better. there have been a few stinkers, not as many as last year.


The stretches I have watched, they always seem to be getting outshot and a lot more zone time for their opponents. Even when they are winning, they usually have less shots. I have not looked at the aggregate stats, but I can remember a single third period where the total shots on goal favored the Blackhawks this year.



agreed. same perception, i'm sure the stats would confirm.

there's a laundry list of reasons: poor face-off % is at the top. losing a face-off in your d-zone is on page 1 of the manual of how to give up goals. slow d-men (murphy/brodie/martinez) not getting on time to the dasher to disrupt/take away the puck on the goal line. poor C defending the slot...bedard.

bedard uses a super flexible, long stick. it's not optimal for face-offs. not practical to change sticks prior to a face-off. crosby is one of the all-time greats in the face-off dot, his stick is shorter than billy barty.


Add poor passing to the list. Or maybe they are just poor receivers of said pass. Either way, they fumble a lot of pucks they shouldn't.
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 Post subject: Re: 2024-2025 Season
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NWsider4-3-3 wrote:
denisdman wrote:
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this 4 nations break after 55 games sees the blackhawks' record at: 17-31-7 for 41 points. after 55 games last year, the blackhawks' record was: 15-37-3 for 33 points.

through the 55 games, a few things stick out comparing goal differentials for last season and this current season; the blackhawks are 36 goals better (goal differential) than last year. the blackhawks have scored 34 goals more this year, the blackhawks have allowed 2 goals less this year.

i'd give mrazek 3 out of 5 stars for this year and give soderblom 3.5/4 out of 5 stars. yet, they've allowed only 2 less goals than last year's disaster season. 16 empty net goals against doesn't help. the club has been much more competitive late in games....not enough juice to get a game-tieing goal late and frustrating empty-net goals against occur.

the goal numbers and eye test tell us the club is better. there have been a few stinkers, not as many as last year.


The stretches I have watched, they always seem to be getting outshot and a lot more zone time for their opponents. Even when they are winning, they usually have less shots. I have not looked at the aggregate stats, but I can remember a single third period where the total shots on goal favored the Blackhawks this year.





agreed. same perception, i'm sure the stats would confirm.

there's a laundry list of reasons: poor face-off % is at the top. losing a face-off in your d-zone is on page 1 of the manual of how to give up goals. slow d-men (murphy/brodie/martinez) not getting on time to the dasher to disrupt/take away the puck on the goal line. poor C defending the slot...bedard.

bedard uses a super flexible, long stick. it's not optimal for face-offs. not practical to change sticks prior to a face-off. crosby is one of the all-time greats in the face-off dot, his stick is shorter than billy barty.



yea its a trade off. Shorter stick is much better for stickhandling and face offs. Long stick better for shooting. Bedard seems to do just fine stickhandling with a longer stick and his shot is his calling card so it makes sense he would lean towards long.

I myself loved the shorter stick because my game was stickhandling and my shot was good because it was quick release and accurate, didn't rely on power.

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NWsider4-3-3 wrote:
listened to boomer gordon and jake hahn on nhl network's 'the point' and they gave their grades for the blackhawks current season.

i like listening to these guys, but boomer is way off on his 'F'. 15 minute segment and boomer spent the first 5 minutes talking about the winter classic debacle. if that one game is what he's weighing and measuring for a grade, ok.

i had posted that the club has a +36 goal differential (despite the heavy 16 empty-net goals against albatross on the differential) compared to this time last year. soderblom has emerged as a potential #1 G, going forward. the young d-corps is almost ripe.

jake hahn gave the blackhawks a 'D-'. he's not sure if bedard is happy and said next year it's imperative the club make strides.

there are 32 clubs in the nhl. these guys can't and obviously can't watch every game. it's evident here.


You appear to be grading on a curve compared to last year. This team still is really bad. Just not "really, really, really bad" like last year.
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 Post subject: Re: 2024-2025 Season
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The Division wrote:
NWsider4-3-3 wrote:
denisdman wrote:
NWsider4-3-3 wrote:
this 4 nations break after 55 games sees the blackhawks' record at: 17-31-7 for 41 points. after 55 games last year, the blackhawks' record was: 15-37-3 for 33 points.

through the 55 games, a few things stick out comparing goal differentials for last season and this current season; the blackhawks are 36 goals better (goal differential) than last year. the blackhawks have scored 34 goals more this year, the blackhawks have allowed 2 goals less this year.

i'd give mrazek 3 out of 5 stars for this year and give soderblom 3.5/4 out of 5 stars. yet, they've allowed only 2 less goals than last year's disaster season. 16 empty net goals against doesn't help. the club has been much more competitive late in games....not enough juice to get a game-tieing goal late and frustrating empty-net goals against occur.

the goal numbers and eye test tell us the club is better. there have been a few stinkers, not as many as last year.


The stretches I have watched, they always seem to be getting outshot and a lot more zone time for their opponents. Even when they are winning, they usually have less shots. I have not looked at the aggregate stats, but I can remember a single third period where the total shots on goal favored the Blackhawks this year.



agreed. same perception, i'm sure the stats would confirm.

there's a laundry list of reasons: poor face-off % is at the top. losing a face-off in your d-zone is on page 1 of the manual of how to give up goals. slow d-men (murphy/brodie/martinez) not getting on time to the dasher to disrupt/take away the puck on the goal line. poor C defending the slot...bedard.

bedard uses a super flexible, long stick. it's not optimal for face-offs. not practical to change sticks prior to a face-off. crosby is one of the all-time greats in the face-off dot, his stick is shorter than billy barty.


Add poor passing to the list. Or maybe they are just poor receivers of said pass. Either way, they fumble a lot of pucks they shouldn't.


for sure. many more too...some players panic and ice the puck - throwing fuel on the fire by having poor face-off guys take a d-zone face-off and either move the puck deep out of the d-zone and get a change or defend at 55% condition - and rapidly dropping, for that particular shift.

i truly see kaiser and korchinski as puck movers - guys who can skate the puck out. i view allen as a fairly decent passer. vlasic can do both. not so sure about crevier...anyways, i'm certain we will see noticeable improvement next year.
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 Post subject: Re: 2024-2025 Season
PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:35 am 
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NWsider4-3-3 wrote:
listened to boomer gordon and jake hahn on nhl network's 'the point' and they gave their grades for the blackhawks current season.

i like listening to these guys, but boomer is way off on his 'F'. 15 minute segment and boomer spent the first 5 minutes talking about the winter classic debacle. if that one game is what he's weighing and measuring for a grade, ok.

i had posted that the club has a +36 goal differential (despite the heavy 16 empty-net goals against albatross on the differential) compared to this time last year. soderblom has emerged as a potential #1 G, going forward. the young d-corps is almost ripe.

jake hahn gave the blackhawks a 'D-'. he's not sure if bedard is happy and said next year it's imperative the club make strides.

there are 32 clubs in the nhl. these guys can't and obviously can't watch every game. it's evident here.


You appear to be grading on a curve compared to last year. This team still is really bad. Just not "really, really, really bad" like last year.


yeah, the team is bad, i don't believe they are really bad. last year, they were really bad. even hahn had to stop boomer rambling on, "did you think they were a playoff club going into the season"? if boomer thought they were, yes, an 'F' is deserved. of course he didn't believe that. boomer spent 5 minutes telling me how brutal they were in the winter classic....that's not comprehensive analysis.

i see progress with individual defensemen, the club has scored 34 more goals than last year, PP is fairly good, PK is fairly decent and soderblom looks promising. bedard? well, i wouldn't give bedard and the club an 'A' for this season. i had them in the 70s, for points. still a small chance..if they backslide this final stretch, different story.
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 Post subject: Re: 2024-2025 Season
PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:49 am 
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shakes wrote:
NWsider4-3-3 wrote:
denisdman wrote:
NWsider4-3-3 wrote:
this 4 nations break after 55 games sees the blackhawks' record at: 17-31-7 for 41 points. after 55 games last year, the blackhawks' record was: 15-37-3 for 33 points.

through the 55 games, a few things stick out comparing goal differentials for last season and this current season; the blackhawks are 36 goals better (goal differential) than last year. the blackhawks have scored 34 goals more this year, the blackhawks have allowed 2 goals less this year.

i'd give mrazek 3 out of 5 stars for this year and give soderblom 3.5/4 out of 5 stars. yet, they've allowed only 2 less goals than last year's disaster season. 16 empty net goals against doesn't help. the club has been much more competitive late in games....not enough juice to get a game-tieing goal late and frustrating empty-net goals against occur.

the goal numbers and eye test tell us the club is better. there have been a few stinkers, not as many as last year.


The stretches I have watched, they always seem to be getting outshot and a lot more zone time for their opponents. Even when they are winning, they usually have less shots. I have not looked at the aggregate stats, but I can remember a single third period where the total shots on goal favored the Blackhawks this year.





agreed. same perception, i'm sure the stats would confirm.

there's a laundry list of reasons: poor face-off % is at the top. losing a face-off in your d-zone is on page 1 of the manual of how to give up goals. slow d-men (murphy/brodie/martinez) not getting on time to the dasher to disrupt/take away the puck on the goal line. poor C defending the slot...bedard.

bedard uses a super flexible, long stick. it's not optimal for face-offs. not practical to change sticks prior to a face-off. crosby is one of the all-time greats in the face-off dot, his stick is shorter than billy barty.



yea its a trade off. Shorter stick is much better for stickhandling and face offs. Long stick better for shooting. Bedard seems to do just fine stickhandling with a longer stick and his shot is his calling card so it makes sense he would lean towards long.

I myself loved the shorter stick because my game was stickhandling and my shot was good because it was quick release and accurate, didn't rely on power.


yeah, they may have to take a look at some wingers with relatively high face-off percentages and go from there. acquire/sign...put on bedard's line. bedard does seem to be improving...i'll give him that, still not good enough for winning hockey.
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 Post subject: Re: 2024-2025 Season
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The Blackhawks still stink and Bedard is mediorce.
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