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I was puzzled at a call last night on the 2nd attempt at a open-netter by the Hawks' Hossa in the 1st period, when he was deliberately tripped and end up shooting the puck wide left. Tampa drew the minor penalty for tripping and were able to ultimately kill the penalty. But it seemed to me at the time, being a hockey meatball, that this type of penalty should have led to a penalty shot instead of a face-off in the Tampa zone. What's the difference between a player being interfered with on a break-away and the Hawk player with the empty-net attempt? There's little difference. If the game was soccer, the penalty would have drawn the penalty shot but for some dumb reason not in hockey. Even in football on an endzone interference play, the ball is put at the one-yard line, giving the offense an easy shot at a score.


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If soccer does it, it is stupid.

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Where was the penalty shot for Hossa?

In the regular season.

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I was puzzled at a call last night on the 2nd attempt at a open-netter by the Hawks' Hossa in the 1st period, when he was deliberately tripped and end up shooting the puck wide left. Tampa drew the minor penalty for tripping and were able to ultimately kill the penalty. But it seemed to me at the time, being a hockey meatball, that this type of penalty should have led to a penalty shot instead of a face-off in the Tampa zone. What's the difference between a player being interfered with on a break-away and the Hawk player with the empty-net attempt? There's little difference. If the game was soccer, the penalty would have drawn the penalty shot but for some dumb reason not in hockey. Even in football on an endzone interference play, the ball is put at the one-yard line, giving the offense an easy shot at a score.



I officiated USA Hockey from the 70s - 00s. My opinion is that the goalie was still between Hoss and the goal when Hoss was tripped. While not having the best angle on the shot, Bishop was still in between for me.


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Well, isn't the goalie always between the carrier and the goal? Was there a defender who was between the carrier and the goalie?

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Well, isn't the goalie always between the carrier and the goal? Was there a defender who was between the carrier and the goalie?


No. Not when they pull the goalie or he's playing the puck behind the net or out away from the net. One of the criteria for a PS is that there is no defender between the goal and the puck carrier.
Another criteria is that the foul occur from behind. It kinda came from the side, no?


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Yeah, "kinda from the side" is enough to bust a penalty shot down to a plain old minor in the playoffs. Duncan Keith benefited from this in the Nashville series.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:37 am 
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Yeah, "kinda from the side" is enough to bust a penalty shot down to a plain old minor in the playoffs. Duncan Keith benefited from this in the Nashville series.


Yeah, I'd say the NHL refs are pretty tight when it comes to awarding PSs. It's the "Zamboni guy" rule. That is, it's got to be so so obvious even the Zamboni guy saw it.


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Hossa should of buried the shot. You miss open nets, you lose hockey games, and deservedly so. To blame the refs is just wishing for help that isn't coming.

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scorehead # 84 wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
Well, isn't the goalie always between the carrier and the goal? Was there a defender who was between the carrier and the goalie?


No. Not when they pull the goalie or he's playing the puck behind the net or out away from the net. One of the criteria for a PS is that there is no defender between the goal and the puck carrier.
Another criteria is that the foul occur from behind. It kinda came from the side, no?



The one criteria for PS should read - that there is no defender between the GOALIE (not goal) and the puck carrier.


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