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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 9:14 pm 
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I suppose i shouldve just posted it here as a new topic - does Panarin playing on a line with Kane and given how his season is going actually hurt his chances for a Calder? NHL folks might look at him as benefiting from a Hart worthy season from Kane instead of Panarin making things go well for himself.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 9:52 pm 
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From the Sabres thread last week:

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I wouldn't be so sure about Panarin winning ROTY nor would I be enthusiastic. In case you forgot, a big part of the cap trouble in 2011 was Toews winning the Conn Smythe, with both he and Kane hitting major performance bonuses. Panarin, despite being 24, is on an ELC and thus would get a performance bonus for winning the Calder, which would mean dead cap space next year. Aside from that, the feeling that I'm getting is that voters are looking for any way to give it to Dylan Larkin of the Red Wings instead, who is putting up slightly lower numbers at age 19. People are heralding Larkin's superior +/-, as blatant a grasp at straws as there's ever been because everyone in 2016 knows +/- is a horseshit statistic, especially for forwards. In addition to already being 24 and playing with Kane, people are indeed mad that the Blackhawks could be so charmed as to get the rookie of the year, but then they're arguing against a charmed franchise by arguing for a Red Wing...?

Panarin will have to win the rookie scoring race decisively, like say 15+ points, to win the Calder. And don't rule out McDavid having a dynamite return from injury and voters wanting to give it to him for "overcoming adversity," again, straws. As it stands, he's up ten points on Larkin and Domi (do not forget about him, by the way) and 12 up on Eichel.


Panarin is at 42, Domi 31, Larkin 30, so if this holds up, voters are gonna have to bite the bullet and give ROTY to a 24-year-old. Tough shit, Larkin.

Kane has greatly helped Panarin and vice versa. Kane toiled with shitty linemates from the time he got taken off Toews's line till now. Brad Richards was an improvement, but only over the likes of Michal Handzus. It is funny to watch people denigrate the Hawks for not having anyone as good as Crosby or Ovechkin: Seabrook is only good because of Keith, Keith is only good because of Toews and Kane, Toews and Kane are only good because of Hossa, and the goalie is only good because of everybody else. It's a wonder they won it all once, let alone thrice.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:02 pm 
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Curious Hair wrote:
From the Sabres thread last week:

Curious Hair wrote:
I wouldn't be so sure about Panarin winning ROTY nor would I be enthusiastic. In case you forgot, a big part of the cap trouble in 2011 was Toews winning the Conn Smythe, with both he and Kane hitting major performance bonuses. Panarin, despite being 24, is on an ELC and thus would get a performance bonus for winning the Calder, which would mean dead cap space next year. Aside from that, the feeling that I'm getting is that voters are looking for any way to give it to Dylan Larkin of the Red Wings instead, who is putting up slightly lower numbers at age 19. People are heralding Larkin's superior +/-, as blatant a grasp at straws as there's ever been because everyone in 2016 knows +/- is a horseshit statistic, especially for forwards. In addition to already being 24 and playing with Kane, people are indeed mad that the Blackhawks could be so charmed as to get the rookie of the year, but then they're arguing against a charmed franchise by arguing for a Red Wing...?

Panarin will have to win the rookie scoring race decisively, like say 15+ points, to win the Calder. And don't rule out McDavid having a dynamite return from injury and voters wanting to give it to him for "overcoming adversity," again, straws. As it stands, he's up ten points on Larkin and Domi (do not forget about him, by the way) and 12 up on Eichel.


Panarin is at 42, Domi 31, Larkin 30, so if this holds up, voters are gonna have to bite the bullet and give ROTY to a 24-year-old. Tough shit, Larkin.

Kane has greatly helped Panarin and vice versa. Kane toiled with shitty linemates from the time he got taken off Toews's line till now. Brad Richards was an improvement, but only over the likes of Michal Handzus. It is funny to watch people denigrate the Hawks for not having anyone as good as Crosby or Ovechkin: Seabrook is only good because of Keith, Keith is only good because of Toews and Kane, Toews and Kane are only good because of Hossa, and the goalie is only good because of everybody else. It's a wonder they won it all once, let alone thrice.


not to mention a coach who doesnt know what hes doing because he shuffles lines mid-game. Yeah, the "straw grasping" seems absurd, but the NHL is ridiculous if not unwilling to go against "hockey morals". I can only picture executives somewhere sneering at the thought of giving a 24 year old a ROTY. The Network's draft boners for McDavid and Eichel were so hard, theres got to be reluctance to look elsewhere. Combine that with the ever growing Illuminati maneuver against John Scott, seems what the league wants, it will get. I'm still worried theyll stick it to Kane at the end of season since they couldnt find anything on him in their internal investigation, as with the criminal investigation. But yes, Panarin will need to blow away Domi by a margin. As for Kane and Hart, breaking 100 would seal it. Not easy to do anymore though.

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Well, McDavid has missed most of the year with a broken clavicle, so that takes him out of the running (though like I said, if he goes ppg from his return to the end...), and while Eichel has been very good, he hasn't been great, being only on pace for 49, which Panarin should hit by the end of the month.

Like I'm sure I mentioned elsewhere, I thought Saad was a sure thing for the Calder in 2013, being a difference-making first-line wing on a team that steamrolled the short season and won the Stanley Cup. Instead, it went to Jonathan Huberdeau, who had four more points in two more games on the worst team in the league. Huberdeau has turned out to be a fine player, just like Saad, but there was nothing that stood out about that rookie campaign other than banking points because somebody had to. It was clearly just a matter of voters deciding that Saad was a mere beneficiary of Toews and Hossa. As we've seen this year with the Left Wing Lottery, it seems as though Toews and Hossa were just as much beneficiaries of Brandon Saad.

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thats a good comparison. from kane to present the Calder winners' points totals are pretty varying.


72, 48, 63, 52, 31 63, 39. One year was G steve Mason with 0.

Malkin and Ovechkin were 85 and 106 respectively. Selanne had 132. Kinda strange to see how much the game has changed just since 2007-2008

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Spanky got really mad at me for saying this, but I don't care, and I'll say it again: Jamie Benn winning the scoring race with eighty-seven points is an atrocity. Even a point total in the low 90s would have been tolerable, but 87?

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Panarin makes it easy on Kane. Kane doesn't make it easy on Panarin.

Panarin for Hart Memorial Trophy.

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Curious Hair wrote:
Spanky got really mad at me for saying this, but I don't care, and I'll say it again: Jamie Benn winning the scoring race with eighty-seven points is an atrocity. Even a point total in the low 90s would have been tolerable, but 87?


and he won it on the last game of the season with a 4 point game. Lowest Art Ross winner in a non lockout year since Mikita did it in 67-68. And they only played 74 games then. Benn played in 81 that year. Was the lowest point per game winner since the 40s.

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