Good points, but do we really want to hear about Madigan and Blago trying to ratify a constitution?
Either way, I'm in.
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| Author: | Darkside [ Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
This November, we have an opportunity to force a new Constitutional Convention. This question only comes up on the ballot every 20 years, so now is an important time to get this ball rolling. We were denied an opportunity to recall a non-performing governor earlier this year when our leaders refuesd to add the referendum to the ballot. We have a non-performing governor today, one that will likely face Federal corruption charges soon. The people of Illinois deserve better. We deserve a chance at firing those that do not do their job well. We need to change the Income Tax laws, improve the property tax laws, look at our free Speech and Right to firearms laws (as Illinois has the most prohibitive firearms laws), and school funding laws. I'm not advocating any particular change, just the right to actually have a delagation to discuss these changes. Vote yes on the Illinois Constitutional convention. It won't come back up until 2028. We don't get many shots at this. |
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| Author: | Colonel Angus [ Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
You deserve nothing, and you'll like it! Seriously, though. He's right. Anyway, by 2028, we'll probably all be dead or Chinese anyway, so this'll be our last shot. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
Good points, but do we really want to hear about Madigan and Blago trying to ratify a constitution? Either way, I'm in. |
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| Author: | suckers playground [ Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
legalize 
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| Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
Who would be the CSFMB delegate at an assemblage of such nobility and import? |
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| Author: | Colonel Angus [ Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: Who would be the CSFMB delegate at an assemblage of such nobility and import? Old Man Potter. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: Who would be the CSFMB delegate at an assemblage of such nobility and import? You could go as OMP or Evil Jack, whichever you feel like 
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| Author: | Beebo [ Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
Darkside wrote: Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: Who would be the CSFMB delegate at an assemblage of such nobility and import? You could go as OMP or Evil Jack, whichever you feel like I'll go if need be. What a dillrod Blago turned out to be... |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
Im looking forward to voting against Rod for a third time in two years. If he makes it that far. Definately Yes on the Constitution vote. Is there a certain percentage needed or just a simple majority? |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Sat Oct 25, 2008 9:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
Don't forget to vote yes on that constitutional convention guys. |
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| Author: | Coast2Coast [ Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
Done. The description on the ballot is really poorly written. So the poll workers hand out this blue sheet at the polls telling you a "yes" vote really means "yes". And there was a guy at my early voting place shouting "vote no on the constitutional convention..it will cost a lot of money and raise our taxes." Funny shit. |
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| Author: | Hawkeye Vince [ Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
Here's a viewpoint on the 'no' side. Just to provide a fair and balanced discussion. http://www.lwvil.org/ConCon_Con.html |
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| Author: | spanky [ Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
VOTE "NO" ON CON-CON. The first thing that they will do if this passes is look to get their hands on more money - and the pensions of all state workers will be at risk! Yes, they are required to ask the voters every 20 years, but there are a LOT of hidden agendas in doing so. VOTE "NO" ON CON-CON. |
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| Author: | SteveSarley [ Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
Lt. Governor Pat Quinn, a true independent and the most honest man in politics that I have ever met says to vote "Yes," and that is good enough for me. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
SteveSarley wrote: Lt. Governor Pat Quinn, a true independent and the most honest man in politics that I have ever met says to vote "Yes," and that is good enough for me. You must not have met too many people "in" politics. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
Nas wrote: I tend to agree with Gov. Edger. It might be something that can be addressed in the future but I'm not in favor of it now. Think about it in the future? It's gonna be 20 years before we get another chance! By then your kids will be of legal drinking age and we'd have done nothing to improve our shattered Illinois legislative process. |
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| Author: | bwfalcon [ Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
Not until we get a Bi-Mon-Sci-Fi-Con |
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| Author: | spanky [ Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
Darkside wrote: Nas wrote: Think about it in the future? It's gonna be 20 years before we get another chance! By then your kids will be of legal drinking age and we'd have done nothing to improve our shattered Illinois legislative process. Here are a few things to consider: 1. A Constitutional Convention is not needed to make changes to the constitution. Amendments can be made at any time. 10 amendments have been added to the Illinois constitution since 1970 (which is 2 con-con "windows"). 2. A Con-Con is not a free process. Estimates put the cost of a con-con at just under $100 million dollars. If you think that a con-con would allow lawmakers to designate funds more appropriately, I would suggest that you reconsider. The $ required would be very beneficial spent elsewhere (education, infrastructure, etc.). 3. The suggestion that having a con-con would hold the politicians more accountable is misguided. Remember that with the con-con, it would be the politicians making the changes. I sincerely doubt that politicians are going to make changes that would put themselves at risk, potentially. It would be similar to letting doctors write malpractice laws, and expecting them to install looser guidelines for filing malpractice suits - wouldn't happen. Not exactly the same, but I think you know what I mean. 4. Once again, the first order of business with a con-con would be to re-write the laws in order to move money from certain funds to another. The state, along with the rest of the country, is in bad financial shape. The pensions of all state workers would be at risk with a con-con. That is a large chuck of money that Gov. Rod, specifically, has made no secrets about wanting to get his hands on. 5. (For Darko specifically) - I am truly confused about the right to bear arms argument. Is it just that it is not specifically written, even though it is allowed by US constitution? The US constitution supercedes any state one anyway. I support the right, but don't like giving the lawmakers the ability to do alot of damage for the purpose of a written formality. (If that makes sense  )
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| Author: | Darkside [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
1. It took until the fiscal year was over before we had a budget for the year. Our legislature is capable of proposing channges to the constitution, however, they're so bloody ineffectual that it never happens. Check out the ethics bill. What the hell is taking so long? 2. I am aware that nothing is free. You must break an egg to make an omlette. 3. I believe that the politicians do NOT make the new proposals. I believe that delegates are appointed. I'll look further into this, but I don't believe that our elected officials are making these changes. 4. I understand where you are coming from. But the poensions of state workers is another issue that we can really expand on in another thread. I understand that you're in effect a state worker and you are concerned about your retitrement. Don't count on the state money to be there. Get your own retiurement in order. If there pension is there when you retire that's just gravy. 5. If I'm not mistaken, the Illinois Constitution says "Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Subject to police power scares me. That does not belong in the Illinois constitution. After the recent Heller v DC case clarified the indivividual right to bear arms, our constitution is in need of update. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
And again, no specific changes are on the docket, this is just a chance, that comes once every 20 years, to have our voices heard in a time of MISERABLE Illinois leadership. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
I'll be voting "present". |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
Nas wrote: Darkside can you imagine how pissed you would be if millions in tax dollars were spent to hold this convention and they did what they normally do? I've seen enough fees and taxes raised because of mismanagement and don't need to watch them do nothing so they can increase them some more. No thanks Things like term limits theoretically will help things like mismanagement of funds. You don't keep them in there long enough to hire all the "my guys" they have around them. If they were willing to address these things without the voters demanding they address them fine, I'm all for business as usual. But as your favorite candidate loves to point out, we need "CHANGE", and this is one way to affect change. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
Nas wrote: :lol:Why? Because the convention doesn't have everything in it you want? Voting "present" is a very common thing in Illinois politics. 
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
Nas wrote: Darkside we all knew Rod was a POS but a lot of you guys still voted for him. Election time was our chance to remove him from office. That is the time for change but a lot of voters voted for more of the same. I agree. That's why I won't be voting for Rodbama Barackovich this election! |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
Nas wrote: Darkside we all knew Rod was a POS but a lot of you guys still voted for him. Election time was our chance to remove him from office. That is the time for change but a lot of voters voted for more of the same. "You guys?" OK, blew it then, know he's gotta go now, why not have a mechanism for it? This has more riding on it than term limits and recall. That was just one issue. |
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| Author: | spanky [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
I believe The Rod has, in effect, created his own "term limit" this time around.
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| Author: | Darkside [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
Nas wrote: Who do you replace him with? Another one of his buddies that's doing the same thing? Is that change worth $80M now? This is something that can be done without the convention. Probably Pat Quinn. No. Yes. No. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
spanky wrote: I believe The Rod has, in effect, created his own "term limit" this time around. He got a second term though. |
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| Author: | spanky [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
Darkside wrote: 4. I understand where you are coming from. But the poensions of state workers is another issue that we can really expand on in another thread. I understand that you're in effect a state worker and you are concerned about your retitrement. Don't count on the state money to be there. Get your own retiurement in order. If there pension is there when you retire that's just gravy. I get what you mean, and I have set up additional retirement accounts. However, that doesn't mean I want my state pension - which I have been contributing to, without choice, for eleven years - to go to "waste". It would be nice if I actually received it upon retirment. |
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| Author: | spanky [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Vote "Yes" on Illinois Constitutional Convention |
Darkside wrote: spanky wrote: I believe The Rod has, in effect, created his own "term limit" this time around. He got a second term though. I gave a gratuitous - the universal sign for sarcasm. Please do not ignore my anymore.
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