How about tax?

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do you tip on the price after tax or before? I was always told before tax.

I tax before tip but I subtract expected profit and while also factoring in how complex I think cooking and plating (or styrofoaming) my order is as well as looking through the bag before paying to see how many ketchup packets and napkins they gave me and the quality of the plastic utensils.


No, actually I just look at the total.

nowadays they have the tip total on the receipt with each percentage listed. i don't trust any of those.

i always tip a $5 minimum. Like if my bill is $20 I tip at least $5. Always do 15% on regular joints.

Trust meaning you think the 15%, 18%, 20% don't actually calculate out to those percentages?

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correct because i don't know if they're doing it before tax or after. probably after.

We have a Supper Club that meets once a month and goes to different restaurants. There are anywhere from four to twelve people but usually it's 8-10. One guy in the club is an accountant so we always gave him the check to figure out. Number one rule of Supper Club is that the bill simply gets divided by the number of participants. No complaining about how you had a salad and that guy had a steak. One member doesn't drink so we usually, though not always, give her a break if the place we're at is not BYOB. Anyway, I noticed that the accountant, who is a pretty smart guy- he went to University of Chicago- was taking really long to divide the bill by 6 or 8 or however many people we had. Then I realized he was deducting the tax before figuring the tip. Well, I'm not a fucking cheap-ass. I don't want this guy ruining my reputation as a generous tipper so I started grabbing the bill and giving it to my wife to figure out or doing it myself if she wasn't there.

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big events are different when it comes to tipping. If it's like 6-10 ppl then it's at least 20% tip. Some places calculate the tip for you and put it on the bill if it's a large party. I actually like when they do that.

Can't be giving them that extra 2% when you tip 20% of the 10.75% tax!

I guess it depends on the % you are using. If you give 20% pre-tax, it comes out to around the same as 15-18% post tax. That's usually around where I am, 18% post tax (for sit down).

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I have tried it, but it's just not worth it. I end up always tipping on the after tax total. Usually 20% minimum.

I also agree, you go out as a group, you pay one check and you just split it evenly across the group.

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As JORR mentioned though, it'd be a good idea to figure out the booze part if someone isn't drinking and the rest of the party is drinking anything more than a glass. Preferably beforehand.

Of course.

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Morty: "This looks like too much money."
Jerry: "Nah, I got it from a guy on the street. It was, like, fifty bucks."
Morty: "You think it's hot?"
Jerry: "Could be."
Morty: "Attaboy! Helen, Jerry got me a hot Wizard computer!"
Helen: "I'm right here."
Jerry: "And you can do everything with it. You can get e-mail, fax, there's a
calculator."
Morty: "So, I can use it in the restaurant to figure out the tip?"
Jerry: "Yeah, I guess. But the really cool thing is the daily planner."
Morty: "Helen, we got into restaurants and figure out the tips."
Helen: "Jerry, you're getting your father too excited."

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I overtip but I also demand an equity stake in the restaurant for bailing them out.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

This. I'm not worried about 2 bucks or whatever the difference is between pre tax and total with tax. And if you are...stop being a cheapass.

Truth be told, the only time I look at anything other than the total is if I know there was a discount applied.

I definitely tend to over tip (usually around 22-25%), but I'm also super harsh if the service was really bad. Like, one time we went to the Gurnee Tacos El Norte...decent food, reasonably priced. It was a slow night. We sat down, the waitress saw us, then continued the conversation she was having with the bartender for another 15 minutes. She comes over. We order a couple of beers. 20 minutes later, she comes back with 1 of the 2 beers. Not a word and she walks away before I could ask to place our food order. 10 minutes, comes back for our food order. Still short a beer. Food comes 20 minutes later (about right for this place). Second beer shows up with our check. $30 tab for the 2 of us (never had the opportunity for a second drink or anything). Glad I had cash, so she got the $30 paid...and I left some loose change for a tip. So we're leaving and my wife stops off to go to the bathroom. I'm standing by the door and the manager comes running over asking why we only left a 24 cent tip...especially since we were there over an hour. So I explain the service issues. His response, "well that's how Martha is...you just have to roll with it". My response, "I don't tip on shitty service, and I find it unacceptable that you keep her here knowing she sucks as a waitress". I was asked to never speak of his sister that way again, and to never return.

Never have bothered to try and go back...Jalisco opened up the street with far better food.

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if a waiter or manager comes up to me and asks a question about tips then they get FUCKING ZERO!

I had that happen to me only once by a waiter who I left a 20 percent tip and he asked for more. I took it back and crossed out the tip and left him with zero.

It wouldn't be very difficult to figure out....

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Many years ago, that happened to my family at the restaurant at a New England Hilton while we were on vacation. The service was terrible, lots of mishaps and just not giving a shit. My dad tipped them a half tip. Because my dad had a strong accent and my parents were probably speaking in a non-English language to express our pissedness to each other... the manager chased my dad out towards the lobby to explain that perhaps he didn't understand the courtesies of tipping.

It was the first time in my life (I was about 11) that I saw my father (who worked white glove banquets at the Edgewater Beach Hotel when he came to the US, before opening his own place) totally lose his shit verbally with somebody. After he finished losing his shit, he went to the front desk and lost his shit all over again. The next morning, he had a rather pointed conversation with the general manager about being treated like an idiot immigrant, and the hotel night, dinner, and tip were all comped.

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that's good that he did that.

it's like begging for money from these people.

Our experience was captured here - sort of :

https://youtu.be/MrQwN8JorDk?t=48

This is my philosophy as well.

And for those people who are adamant the you should tip when you pick up carryout, where do you draw the line? Are you tipping at McDonalds? How about the person at the deli counter slicing you cold cuts or the cashier and bagger at the grocery store? I tip people whose wages are dictated by tips. And if they give me good service, I tip them well.

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yes exactly. i recently shopped at target and at the register where they ring up my stuff, the lady I had was one of the best customer service people i've had to deal with in a long time. I even told her that and she did not expect any money or tip. now if there was someone deserving of a tip it would be her.

I don't think it's complicated. You should always tip at restaurants, you shouldn't tip while getting fast food.

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2 scenario's : tip or not tip ?

1.Olive Garden carry out - corporate giant. i order online, i go pick up the shit. i say no tip. if i was sitting there during normal times yes I would tip. but not in this case.

2.Local Sushi joint - i call in my order, they make it, put it in a bag for me, i walk or drive there and pick it up. again I say no tip.

You should give a tip in both of those scenarios.

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i tipped the girl who brought me my breakfast at Chuck's yesterday 10$

But she's super cute , so there's that

This reminds me of a guy named James Panalogakos who worked for me when I was running company that provided temp waiters and cooks for banquets and private parties. James was a highly experienced fine dining and banquet waiter but like most of the people that ended up with us there was something not quite right with him. In James's case, it was that he was a fussy old guy who always knew better than everyone else.

The woman I worked for is a really good person. She had worked as a placement director at one of those for-profit "universities" and she felt terrible when she couldn't actually place the graduates anywhere. So she started a temp firm to get them going. A lot of our people were really rough around the edges. I couldn't really send them to a house party on the North Shore. But I could mix some of them in with a big group at a Field Museum or Planetarium event.

James was appalled by how unprofessional some of these people were and he was constantly getting into beefs with them on the job. I had to take him aside multiple times and tell him he wasn't working as a captain and to let me worry about these other dopes and just do his job. James was the only guy on my staff who had his own crumber. Probably one of the few who even knew what a crumber is.

Last I heard James had returned to Greece. I hope he's still alive and doing well.

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Just admit you're cheap instead of trying to justify your behavior. It's ok, a lot of people are.

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no i dont think i'm cheap. i will spend money on tips when i get good service. i just dont' think i should be tipping people for only cooking the food for me. I already paid for that part when I paid for the order.

Spoken like a true cheapskate.

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