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There were similar results in the UK with soy allergies after GMO were put in their supply in 1999.


Coincidence .... not causality.


It might not be it though. Could be water supply like Panther posted, could be pesticides, could be something else. Nobody knows, nobody really cares, and nobody running the food supply or government will blow the whistle on this.


It's not GMO. There isn't one piece of evidence that suggests it it any more than evidence suggests it's voodoo.

Pesticides in the water supply starts to sound interesting. It kinda seems that, across the board, the quality of everyone's water supply is not as high as it was 30, 40, 50 years ago. It is, however, almost certainly a number of different factors, irrespective of Occam's Razor.

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I don't know why people are so sure one way or another.


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I don't know why people are so sure one way or another.

This is the internet. We know everything.


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Our school is now peanut/tree nut free, which I find kind of annoying. As a kid all I ate was peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.


My three year old loves PB and J sandwiches, and crackers and peanut butter, but I can't put them in his snack bag.


List of items only to be enjoyed at home:

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The first student my wife had with recognized food allergies was back 20-25 years ago- poor kid was allergic to grass among other things. Very restrictive diet. He's now an adult, coached my son in soccer a few years, but I will have to follow up with him about those allergies, I see no limit on his intakes now.

She had a girl with life-threatening foods allergy a few years ago, and by the end of the year it was clear to be a helicopter single mom issue more than anything else- the list was shortened considerably. The EPI pen training was probably worthwhile in the long run.

We have been hybridizing plants for specific results for a century or more, were we just lucky with the results in the past, or was information on the rejection just less known? I don't grow peanuts, but I have not heard of much GM of peanut plants, maybe it is a widespread as with corn or soybeans.


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Eddieepipen doesn't have the same ring to it.


How 'bout you, jimmy? You a poison oak man?

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Spaulding wrote:
I don't know why people are so sure one way or another.

Makes them sleep better at night when they pretend their opinions or hypotheses are facts.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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I don't know why people are so sure one way or another.

Makes them sleep better at night when they pretend their opinions or hypotheses are facts.
It's not our opinions or hypotheses though. It is accepted and tested science and medicine. Now, of course there is always the possibility of science being wrong but you have to trust the process and accept that the current understanding is the most accurate answer. The fact is that most of these amateur scientists do more harm than good. A great example of this is the vaccination debate. Diseases are becoming more prevalent because moms are deciding that with no proof whatsoever, and a lot of proof they are wrong, that vaccines are not safe.

Science isn't perfect, but it's a lot more perfect than a bunch of moms talking at a book club. If you take two kids, and one of them you trust medical science and then trillions of dollars of research that has been done, and raise them based on the best advice of that, and take another kid and raise them based on the hunches of the mom and anecdotal evidence, who will be healthier? OK, maybe you beat medical science by not giving your kids red dye #4 and red dye #4 ends up causing your kid to be too hyper(which is another highly over diagnosed thing) but how many things will you be wrong about?

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Spaulding wrote:
My daughter was never dx

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It's not our opinions or hypotheses though.

I didnt read this whole thread. I was more answering in general why people tend to state opinions and the like as fact


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Diseases are becoming more prevalent because moms are deciding that with no proof whatsoever, and a lot of proof they are wrong, that vaccines are not safe.


Monsanto and Jenny McCarthy: rendering our world unsafer with each passing day.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Eddieepipen doesn't have the same ring to it.


How 'bout you, jimmy? You a poison oak man?

Poison Oak is nice...
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Jimmy, are your Uncle Conrad and Aunt Ginny millionaires? Because your Uncle Marsellus is.

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It's not our opinions or hypotheses though. It is accepted and tested science and medicine. Now, of course there is always the possibility of science being wrong but you have to trust the process and accept that the current understanding is the most accurate answer. The fact is that most of these amateur scientists do more harm than good. A great example of this is the vaccination debate. Diseases are becoming more prevalent because moms are deciding that with no proof whatsoever, and a lot of proof they are wrong, that vaccines are not safe.

Science isn't perfect, but it's a lot more perfect than a bunch of moms talking at a book club. If you take two kids, and one of them you trust medical science and then trillions of dollars of research that has been done, and raise them based on the best advice of that, and take another kid and raise them based on the hunches of the mom and anecdotal evidence, who will be healthier? OK, maybe you beat medical science by not giving your kids red dye #4 and red dye #4 ends up causing your kid to be too hyper(which is another highly over diagnosed thing) but how many things will you be wrong about?


Rick, you couldn't be more right. Long story, that I will try to keep short.

My older son turned three last month. He is current on his vaccinations. At his 24 month checkup, the nurse asked us if he had a fifty word vocabulary. At that point, he really wasn't saying any words. She told us about the Early Intervention program, through the state. Three therapists came to our house to evaluate him, in his normal environment. They determined that he qualified for the program, due to his delayed speech, and sensory issues. From that time, up until his third birthday (the program is for children under three), he had three, one hour sessions at our house (speech therapy, developmental therapy, and occupational therapy) each week. In this time, he made tremendous progress.

As his third birthday approached, we had a meeting a special needs school in our district, where he was evaluated by several therapists, to see if he qualifies for the program. These therapists had spoken with the therapists that came to our house, so they could compare notes. After this meeting, they determined that he was on "the autism spectrum". Upon hearing this, my wife started crying. The therapists at the school reassured us, that this is a very broad spectrum, and most kids similar to him, go on to lead completely normal lives. The therapists felt that he could really benefit from the program, and this would be the only area of the 13, where he would qualify.

Quick shout out to Dr. Ken. We had a conversation about this very topic, over a couple cold ones. He is familiar with the program, and his words were very reassuring.

Fast forward to my son's third birthday. We had a party at our friends' house, whose niece was born the same day as my son. They are good little friends, and we thought a dual party would be fun. During the party, my wife was explaining all of this to some of our friends, including a woman who BRick has described perfectly. Quick back story, this woman has not vaccinated her children, and her sons play football. She reads Alex Jones' crazy website, and subscribes to more conspiracy theories, than Q. Bovifs. Once she heard my wife say "autism spectrum", our friend decided this was her time to get on her soapbox, and preach. She speaks very loudly, so anybody within earshot could hear her. She starts to rail on vaccines, because her friend knew a guy that was in the army, and he said blah blah blah, so she did some research on the matter. She eventually starts talking about autism and vaccines, and my wife just has a horrified look on her face. Our friend stops her diatribe, and says to my wife, "well, I'm not saying that vaccines cause autism", even though she just spent the last few minutes doing exactly that. My wife left the room with tears in her eyes. I said to our friend, "why don't you just go in the kitchen, find the sharpest knife you can, and jab her in the gut a few times?" We haven't spoken to her since, and I'm sure she has no idea why. Screw science. Alex Jones, Jenny McCarthy, and a friend of a friend say it's true. I suppose she would like it if I gave her the "I told you so" routine, if one of her kids get a horrible disease, or a head injury from football.

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Sorry to hear that Chus about the other mom but also good to hear that your kid is getting the support that can make a difference.

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Autism spectrum is a scary thing when first heard but as pointed out very broad. My now 15 y/o daughter was diagnosed with Asperger's when about 3 I guess maybe 2. She appears to have grown out of it somehow and is now a straight a student and awesome athlete. That may be because she still carries some OCD tendencies. That is probably from me and not vaccines though. :wink:

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Sorry to hear that Chus about the other mom but also good to hear that your kid is getting the support that can make a difference.


Thanks, Rick. It's even worse, because she doesn't handle any type of criticism very well, and we often have to walk on egg shells around her. She wants to tell it like it is, but doesn't want to hear about how it is.

He has adjusted to preschool very well. He goes four days each week, for two and a half hours per day. He hated it at first. He didn't want to get out of the car. Now, when I take him out of the car, he grabs one of the teachers/assistants hand, and walks into the school, without looking back. He has already reached some of the goals that they set for him, in only six weeks. We couldn't be happier.

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Chus wrote:
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Sorry to hear that Chus about the other mom but also good to hear that your kid is getting the support that can make a difference.


Thanks, Rick. It's even worse, because she doesn't handle any type of criticism very well, and we often have to walk on egg shells around her. She wants to tell it like it is, but doesn't want to hear about how it is.

He has adjusted to preschool very well. He goes four days each week, for two and a half hours per day. He hated it at first. He didn't want to get out of the car. Now, when I take him out of the car, he grabs one of the teachers/assistants hand, and walks into the school, without looking back. He has already reached some of the goals that they set for him, in only six weeks. We couldn't be happier.

Good for you and your wife, and also for your little guy Chus. Wishing him all of the best as he goes thru life.

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What a stupid Caller Bob


:lol: I hadn't read Chus' unfortunate tale (sorry Chus) and thought this was a rather harsh jokey-response about pittmike's daughter. :lol: :lol:

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Jenny McCarthy is a fucking moron. Who the fuck would take parenting advice from her? I don't know every detail of the story but I think she claimed to have "cured" her son's autism when it really turned out that he was never autistic at all and was instead affected by some rare condition totally unrelated to autism in any way. I don't think she has ever backed off any of her moronic positions, has she? And now she gets to spread them on The View. Preposterous.

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Don Tiny wrote:
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What a stupid Caller Bob


:lol: I hadn't read Chus' unfortunate tale (sorry Chus) and thought this was a rather harsh jokey-response about pittmike's daughter. :lol: :lol:

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Jenny McCarthy is a fucking moron. Who the fuck would take parenting advice from her? I don't know every detail of the story but I think she claimed to have "cured" her son's autism when it really turned out that he was never autistic at all and was instead affected by some rare condition totally unrelated to autism in any way. I don't think she has ever backed off any of her moronic positions, has she? And now she gets to spread them on The View. Preposterous.

It really is an awful story. She's causing deaths.


What's crazy is you'll hear a story about a religious couple opting for prayer over life saving surgery and everyone is rightfully appalled, but when it's Jenny Mac...Let's hear her out


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Jenny McCarthy is a fucking moron. Who the fuck would take parenting advice from her? I don't know every detail of the story but I think she claimed to have "cured" her son's autism when it really turned out that he was never autistic at all and was instead affected by some rare condition totally unrelated to autism in any way. I don't think she has ever backed off any of her moronic positions, has she? And now she gets to spread them on The View. Preposterous.

It really is an awful story. She's causing deaths.


What's crazy is you'll hear a story about a religious couple opting for prayer over life saving surgery and everyone is rightfully appalled, but when it's Jenny Mac...Let's hear her out


Jenny McCarthy has blonde hair and big tits. Blonde hair and big tits go a long way.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Jenny McCarthy is a fucking moron. Who the fuck would take parenting advice from her? I don't know every detail of the story but I think she claimed to have "cured" her son's autism when it really turned out that he was never autistic at all and was instead affected by some rare condition totally unrelated to autism in any way. I don't think she has ever backed off any of her moronic positions, has she? And now she gets to spread them on The View. Preposterous.

It really is an awful story. She's causing deaths.


What's crazy is you'll hear a story about a religious couple opting for prayer over life saving surgery and everyone is rightfully appalled, but when it's Jenny Mac...Let's hear her out


Jenny McCarthy has blonde hair and big tits. Blonde hair and big tits go a long way.

I was a big fan/defender of her before all this.


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Great article by a hilarious writer
http://www.cracked.com/blog/dont-listen-to-jenny-mccarthy/


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A vapid Caller Bob. Perfect for The View. My mother actually taught this bitch in high school. She was annoying, twatty, and a skank back then as well, if you were wondering. She used to dance for "fashion show" at bars around the south side when she was in high school. Now, she makes out like she was trying to put herself through nursing school by posing for Playboy and being a stripper. Talk about false narratives.

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