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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:48 am 
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I would love to see a Venn diagram of people who are pro-gun, anti-legalization of pot, and anti-abortion. Then I would ask those people why they don't apply the "if guns are illegal, only bad guys will have guns" argument to their other positions.

Drugs are illegal, yet they are easily accessible. Overturning Roe v. Wade isn't going to eliminate abortions. It will just make them more dangerous.


I would also like to add that MANY of those hypocrites I mentioned proclaim to be in favor of small gov't that stays out of their personal lives.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:50 am 
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First off, I answered the question in the thread title. These are what I want.

Trump talked about renegotiating NAFTA with Mexico and Canada, and I think this will happen. He has already said he wants Free Trade with the Euro-less UK. Those will be the models that would allow him to proceed with TPP. Without TPP, China will set the rules for trade in the Pacific rim. We must show leadership in this area.

Trump & Co are going to pick a Supreme Court Justice in the mold of Scalia according to DeMint on CNBC today. Abortion is a non-issue for me. Roe V Wade is a terrible decision, but I really don't care. In my world, abortion is not something directly addressed in the Constitution, and so it is a state by state issue. I am fine with it being legal though because I am live and let live. My Supreme Court wish list:

-Absolute deference to Congress.
-Strict interpretation of the Constitution as passed in 1789.
-Strong defense of the 10th Amendment. This matters in things like what the EPA is trying to do.
-Protection against aggressive spying.
-Narrowing of tort actions. What the prior court did has been great with many verdicts that narrowed causes of actions and provided more affirmative defenses against out sized lawsuits. They created tremendous case law.




You answered well in both posts as far as I am concerned. We have similar wishes. What bothers me and I am sure we will see lots of it in this thread is people trying to reduce things to a single hot button issue. Not picking on Ruffcorn but he was the first. Bring up the SCOTUS and abortion gets jumped on. Bring up immigration and you are racist against Hispanics. Bring up the EPZ and you do not want a world for our grandchildren and so on. I realize people have their own interests but our situation is very complex.


Well in the case of SCOTUS, Trump has made it clear that he wants to appoint somebody to overturn Roe, and his VP... nuff said. So why is it not fair to bring that up?


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Chus wrote:
I would love to see a Venn diagram of people who are pro-gun, anti-legalization of pot, and anti-abortion. Then I would ask those people why they don't apply the "if guns are illegal, only bad guys will have guns" argument to their other positions.

Drugs are illegal, yet they are easily accessible. Overturning Roe v. Wade isn't going to eliminate abortions. It will just make them more dangerous.



Yeap, drugs and abortions are good parallels. Having them illegal doesn't work.

But guns have a different place in the debate because it is a Constitutional issue. I would argue the government has the right to make drugs illegal while it does not have the right to make guns illegal. Abortion, well that's a grey one given Roe.

Why the fuck is everyone so damned worried about everyone else? In the gun debate it makes sense because they inflict harm on other people, often innocent ones. But abortion, drugs, and gay marriage have minimal impact on other people.


I'm pretty sure this is wrong

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:52 am 
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Jim Crow violates the basic tenets of the Dec of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. It is the perpetual flaw in the founding of our country that women, Indians, and Blacks were not considered equal. I have read up on this extensively, and effectively, we would have never had a nation if slavery were not allowed to exist at the founding of the Republic. Meaning, the Southern States would never agreed to the union. And for that I cannot defend our Constitution. The good news is that the Constitution can and has been amended such that women and black were made explicitly equal as it should have always been.

The abortion issue is meant for the states/local as are many other issues like police and schools.


This is exactly right.


Yes it is correct. I would love for this to not be an abortion only discussion but I guess it is simplest to just use the one subject. Somehow a long time ago it became a tool or procedure for people or institutions to go running to the federal court system and government in general for results they could not manage to achieve at the state or local level. I do not know which subject started this and I have no idea when it exactly happened.

It is my opinion that early on many of these federal fixes were either popular enough or so minor that many just shrugged their shoulders and said so what. The problem is these things build on themselves and now there are many people running to the federal system for all sorts of things.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:54 am 
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Baby McNown wrote:
pittmike wrote:
denisdman wrote:
First off, I answered the question in the thread title. These are what I want.

Trump talked about renegotiating NAFTA with Mexico and Canada, and I think this will happen. He has already said he wants Free Trade with the Euro-less UK. Those will be the models that would allow him to proceed with TPP. Without TPP, China will set the rules for trade in the Pacific rim. We must show leadership in this area.

Trump & Co are going to pick a Supreme Court Justice in the mold of Scalia according to DeMint on CNBC today. Abortion is a non-issue for me. Roe V Wade is a terrible decision, but I really don't care. In my world, abortion is not something directly addressed in the Constitution, and so it is a state by state issue. I am fine with it being legal though because I am live and let live. My Supreme Court wish list:

-Absolute deference to Congress.
-Strict interpretation of the Constitution as passed in 1789.
-Strong defense of the 10th Amendment. This matters in things like what the EPA is trying to do.
-Protection against aggressive spying.
-Narrowing of tort actions. What the prior court did has been great with many verdicts that narrowed causes of actions and provided more affirmative defenses against out sized lawsuits. They created tremendous case law.




You answered well in both posts as far as I am concerned. We have similar wishes. What bothers me and I am sure we will see lots of it in this thread is people trying to reduce things to a single hot button issue. Not picking on Ruffcorn but he was the first. Bring up the SCOTUS and abortion gets jumped on. Bring up immigration and you are racist against Hispanics. Bring up the EPZ and you do not want a world for our grandchildren and so on. I realize people have their own interests but our situation is very complex.


Well in the case of SCOTUS, Trump has made it clear that he wants to appoint somebody to overturn Roe, and his VP... nuff said. So why is it not fair to bring that up?


I just personally feel it is unlikely. We have had these talks since 1973 and it has been attacked from all sides. I think the odds are with me that four years from now it will still be there.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:21 am 
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pittmike wrote:
I just personally feel it is unlikely.

Don't Hawg this thread.

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denisdman wrote:
First off, I answered the question in the thread title. These are what I want.

Trump talked about renegotiating NAFTA with Mexico and Canada, and I think this will happen. He has already said he wants Free Trade with the Euro-less UK. Those will be the models that would allow him to proceed with TPP. Without TPP, China will set the rules for trade in the Pacific rim. We must show leadership in this area.

Trump & Co are going to pick a Supreme Court Justice in the mold of Scalia according to DeMint on CNBC today. Abortion is a non-issue for me. Roe V Wade is a terrible decision, but I really don't care. In my world, abortion is not something directly addressed in the Constitution, and so it is a state by state issue. I am fine with it being legal though because I am live and let live. My Supreme Court wish list:

-Absolute deference to Congress.
-Strict interpretation of the Constitution as passed in 1789.
-Strong defense of the 10th Amendment. This matters in things like what the EPA is trying to do.
-Protection against aggressive spying.
-Narrowing of tort actions. What the prior court did has been great with many verdicts that narrowed causes of actions and provided more affirmative defenses against out sized lawsuits. They created tremendous case law.


Most of this is typically stupid, but this... this is astoundingly stupid. Paul Ryan stupid in both manner and substance.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:08 pm 
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Not do ANYTHING that would make Mike Pence president.


This.

Also, not getting us all blown up in a nuclear holocaust would be wonderful.


+1

Damn, the generationally rich are already wealthy AND get to have the lowest standards imaginable too???

Unfair!

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pittmike wrote:
I just personally feel it is unlikely.

Don't Hawg this thread.


Agree to disagree.

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