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pittmike

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Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:03 pm

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There seems to me these days some sort of psychological issue where it is looked down upon to be a citizen. Like it has gone beyond the latest shame in acting patriotically but to make citizenship actually shameful.

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JORR

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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:14 am

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

I thought I was pretty clear regarding what I see as the difference in military service.

You were clear that is your position, but gave no rationale or reason why someone serving 4 years in the army is any better, more valuable, more deserving of citizenship, than say a specialist in the medical profession working for the CDC.

I'm guessing by your prior two comments saying: 1) No non-citizen should be allowed to work for the government; and (2) Non-citizens should be allowed to serve in the military, that you'd be fine with a world renown specialist in viral infections mopping the latrine in Ft. Hood, but under no circumstances would you want her working for the CDC.

Seems like a well thought out position.

A civilian government job is a gift. Military service is a sacrifice.

Also, when we're discussing "government workers" in this context it seems to me we're talking about everyday jobs that could be done equally well by many of our unemployed citizens. We're not talking about highly-trained specialists with one-of-a-kind skills. If you want to put Dr. Oppenheimer on the government payroll I don't have an issue with that and I doubt dolphin or Reader do either.

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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:16 am

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One Post wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

I thought I was pretty clear regarding what I see as the difference in military service.

We have plenty of doctors here. We can survive without your extreme case. Though for someone who is truly a must have as an expert in infectious diseases why not just fast track them for citizenship?

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Evidence that the document presented to the American public by Barack Obama as his Hawaiian birth certificate is fake soon will be heading to members of Congress, and the difficult discussions over what crimes may have been committed and what should be done could begin soon.

The atmosphere in Washington will be different under Trump since he publicly questioned Obama’s birth certificate in 2011. During this election season, he stated he now believes Obama was born in Hawaii.

But at a news conference Maricopa County, Arizona, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, the only law enforcement officer to formally investigate the allegations of fraud, presented evidence that the image of the birth document posted by the White House was fraudulent.

One thing seems certain: The evidence will have to go elsewhere for action to be taken, since Arpaio, known as “America’s toughest sheriff” and innovator of such jail amenities as pink underwear and surplus Army tents in the desert heat for jail inmates, is leaving office Jan. 1 after more than two decades serving Phoenix-area residents, who had asked him for the birth certificate investigation.

His replacement already has stated, CBS News reported, that he “will cut off Arpaio’s investigation into Obama’s birth certificate.”

Mike Zullo, Arpaio’s lead investigator since 2011 on the birth certificate issue, told WND he wants to get the evidence to members of Congress for evaluation. It could support a Presidential Transparency Act, which would give secretaries of state across the nation the authority to investigate candidates with suspect qualifications.

“This is what we have learned. Every secretary of state is powerless to investigate a candidate,” he told WND. “They have to take everything on face value.”

That means a candidate whose qualifications are questioned cannot be reviewed by state secretaries of state, who run the elections

Zullo told WND that could be a very easy fix for the controversy that developed around Obama’s document.

The issue is that the U.S. Constitution requires the president to be a “natural-born citizen” but does not define the term. Scholarly works cited by the Founders defined it as a citizen at birth, born in the country to two citizens of the country, or merely the offspring of two citizens of the country.

The birth certificate Obama displayed on the White House website as “proof positive” of his eligibility states he was born in Hawaii to an American mother and a Kenyan father.

Some immediately pointed out alleged anomalies, questioning its validity, while others argued it also could prove his ineligibility because his father was not a citizen. Some of the lawsuits over the issue argued Obama was a dual citizen at birth through his father, contending the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born citizens.

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