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So the 1 year anniversary of the Pulse Nightclub Attack is getting a lot of coverage today.

Is it just me or is everyone in the media going out of their way to try to ignore the fact it was an ISIS inspired terrorist attack?

Just asking...

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So the 1 year anniversary of the Pulse Nightclub Attack is getting a lot of coverage today.

Is it just me or is everyone in the media going out of their way to try to ignore the fact it was an ISIS inspired terrorist attack?

Just asking...


I don't think most in this country can come to grip with the fact that this is another instance of a home grown terrorist nut. Or the similarities between sick fucks like that jackass, Tim McVeigh, the clowns in Charleston, Sandy Hook, Fort Hood, San Bernadino, etc...

So it's easiest to just ignore it and wrongly continue to obsess over 9/11.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
So the 1 year anniversary of the Pulse Nightclub Attack is getting a lot of coverage today.

Is it just me or is everyone in the media going out of their way to try to ignore the fact it was an ISIS inspired terrorist attack?

Just asking...


I don't think most in this country can come to grip with the fact that this is another instance of a home grown terrorist nut. Or the similarities between sick fucks like that jackass, Tim McVeigh, the clowns in Charleston, Sandy Hook, Fort Hood, San Bernadino, etc...

So it's easiest to just ignore it and wrongly continue to obsess over 9/11.

I'd separate Sandy Hook from all of the other above instances.

You can't put mentally ill person going on a spree next to planned attacks with an agenda behind them. Very different dynamics between that and someone who becomes radicalized by an ideology and commits violence in the name of that ideology (whether it's McVeigh, Roof, or Mateen)

For terrorism to be terrorism, there has to be a political dynamic behind the motivation.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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So the 1 year anniversary of the Pulse Nightclub Attack is getting a lot of coverage today.

Is it just me or is everyone in the media going out of their way to try to ignore the fact it was an ISIS inspired terrorist attack?

Just asking...


I don't think most in this country can come to grip with the fact that this is another instance of a home grown terrorist nut. Or the similarities between sick fucks like that jackass, Tim McVeigh, the clowns in Charleston, Sandy Hook, Fort Hood, San Bernadino, etc...

So it's easiest to just ignore it and wrongly continue to obsess over 9/11.

I'd separate Sandy Hook from all of the other above instances.

You can't put mentally ill person going on a spree next to planned attacks with an agenda behind them. Very different dynamics between that and someone who becomes radicalized by an ideology and commits violence in the name of that ideology (whether it's McVeigh, Roof, or Mateen)

For terrorism to be terrorism, there has to be a political dynamic behind the motivation.


I generally agree, but there still is a level of sickness, anger and outsider-ness running rampant in this country that many don't want to reasonably discuss.

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Are you suggesting liberals overreact to issues like Wedding Cakes and Bathrooms from the Evangelical Christians and completely overlook mass murders by Muslims?


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Are you suggesting liberals overreact to issues like Wedding Cakes and Bathrooms from the Evangelical Christians and completely overlook mass murders by Muslims?

Dude, the Orlando shooting coverage lasted like 5 straight days on all 3 of the major news networks.

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Jbi11s wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Are you suggesting liberals overreact to issues like Wedding Cakes and Bathrooms from the Evangelical Christians and completely overlook mass murders by Muslims?

Dude, the Orlando shooting coverage lasted like 5 straight days on all 3 of the major news networks.


Your post has no relation to either Ogie's post, or mine.


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Caller Bob wrote:
Jbi11s wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Are you suggesting liberals overreact to issues like Wedding Cakes and Bathrooms from the Evangelical Christians and completely overlook mass murders by Muslims?

Dude, the Orlando shooting coverage lasted like 5 straight days on all 3 of the major news networks.


Your post has no relation to either Ogie's post, or mine.

MSNBC is not the leading voice of your favorite liberal commentators?

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Jbi11s wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Are you suggesting liberals overreact to issues like Wedding Cakes and Bathrooms from the Evangelical Christians and completely overlook mass murders by Muslims?

Dude, the Orlando shooting coverage lasted like 5 straight days on all 3 of the major news networks.

They covered it, but did they paint it as a right-wing homophobic attack or an Islamist inspired attack?

Remember when media even trotted out some guy who claimed to have been in a relationship with and communicated with Mateen on gay dating apps? Problem is the FBI had the entirety of his communication backlog (as would be standard for such an investigation) and said there was no such communication. The media barely covered that fact after giving that guy headlines.

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Jbi11s wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Jbi11s wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Are you suggesting liberals overreact to issues like Wedding Cakes and Bathrooms from the Evangelical Christians and completely overlook mass murders by Muslims?

Dude, the Orlando shooting coverage lasted like 5 straight days on all 3 of the major news networks.


Your post has no relation to either Ogie's post, or mine.

MSNBC is not the leading voice of your favorite liberal commentators?


What in the hell are you talking about? First off, the topic is about meeting coverage sans 1 year since the incident. Not coverage immediately following. Are you cognizant of any of this? Or are you having another stroke?


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Caller Bob wrote:
Jbi11s wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Jbi11s wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Are you suggesting liberals overreact to issues like Wedding Cakes and Bathrooms from the Evangelical Christians and completely overlook mass murders by Muslims?

Dude, the Orlando shooting coverage lasted like 5 straight days on all 3 of the major news networks.


Your post has no relation to either Ogie's post, or mine.

MSNBC is not the leading voice of your favorite liberal commentators?


What in the hell are you talking about? First off, the topic is about meeting coverage sans 1 year since the incident. Not coverage immediately following. Are you cognizant of any of this? Or are you having another stroke?

Heck, even then they tried to bury the motivations for the attack, just as they are today. Don't dare bring up the fact this was an attack inspired by ISIS (not directed, but inspired would be correct here).

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What often gets ignored here is that one doesn't have to be directed or in contact with ISIS to carry out an attack for them (ISIS makes this clear in their published material). As has been mentioned previously, ISIS more or less has "franchised" terrorism so that those carrying out attacks can claim to be doing so on behalf of ISIS without material support or direct instruction. That's 1: why ISIS is so dangerous and 2: why you will never militarily defeat them. They don't just rely on organized cells that you can infiltrate as would be the case with Al Qaeda. They can launch a lone wolf with no real direction or organized planning, as was the case here.

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I think the guy was a closeted homo who hated what he was feeling, and then threw himself into Islamist extremism because he became severely damaged in the head.

I do agree, those misdirection stories, or the side stories that don't get reported always trigger a pause from me.

My biggest gripe with the coverage of tragic stories like the Pulse shooting is that there is important news happening some where at all times. By day 3 of coverage I was so frustrated with the US media last summer. As I have been at various stages of my adult life. I have a healthy distrust of whatever they tell me anyway.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but 50 people don't get whacked at a nightclub by a crazy Muslim, every day.


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Caller Bob wrote:
Jbi11s wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Jbi11s wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Are you suggesting liberals overreact to issues like Wedding Cakes and Bathrooms from the Evangelical Christians and completely overlook mass murders by Muslims?

Dude, the Orlando shooting coverage lasted like 5 straight days on all 3 of the major news networks.


Your post has no relation to either Ogie's post, or mine.

MSNBC is not the leading voice of your favorite liberal commentators?


What in the hell are you talking about? First off, the topic is about meeting coverage sans 1 year since the incident. Not coverage immediately following. Are you cognizant of any of this? Or are you having another stroke?

I'm not watching the news right now. I'm at work. Sorry.

I just wanted you to see my new sig... That's all.

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I think the guy was a closeted homo who hated what he was feeling, and then threw himself into Islamist extremism because he became severely damaged in the head.

I do agree, those misdirection stories, or the side stories that don't get reported always trigger a pause from me.

My biggest gripe with the coverage of tragic stories like the Pulse shooting is that there is important news happening some where at all times. By day 3 of coverage I was so frustrated with the US media last summer. As I have been at various stages of my adult life. I have a healthy distrust of whatever they tell me anyway.

The entire he was in the closet theory came from reports in the first few days afterwards that he was on gay dating apps and had been with other gay men. The FBI directly disputed that about 2 weeks after those claims were made (after they had gone through his entire past, his phone, computer, etc.) The media quietly ignored that though.

You can do a search for all of the media reports on June 14th regarding that fact. Then see what's said June 24th in the media when the FBI dismisses those earlier reports as false. Hardly a whisper from the June 14th media sources.

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Caller Bob wrote:
Are you suggesting liberals overreact to issues like Wedding Cakes and Bathrooms from the Evangelical Christians and completely overlook mass murders by Muslims?

Media needs to cover terror attacks much less. Far too much overreaction/panic.


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Correct me if I'm wrong, but 50 people don't get whacked at a nightclub by a crazy Muslim, every day.

Yes but 5 days of 24 hour coverage doesn't satisfy you? I could understand a few hours each day with new updates, but when you're bringing on former FBI directors to speculate on this guy's social media I think the well has ran dry by day 3.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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I think the guy was a closeted homo who hated what he was feeling, and then threw himself into Islamist extremism because he became severely damaged in the head.

I do agree, those misdirection stories, or the side stories that don't get reported always trigger a pause from me.

My biggest gripe with the coverage of tragic stories like the Pulse shooting is that there is important news happening some where at all times. By day 3 of coverage I was so frustrated with the US media last summer. As I have been at various stages of my adult life. I have a healthy distrust of whatever they tell me anyway.

The entire he was in the closet theory came from reports in the first few days afterwards that he was on gay dating apps and had been with other gay men. The FBI directly disputed that about 2 weeks after those claims were made (after they had gone through his entire past, his phone, computer, etc.) The media quietly ignored that though.

You can do a search for all of the media reports on June 14th regarding that fact. Then see what's said June 24th in the media when the FBI dismisses those earlier reports as false. Hardly a whisper from the June 14th media sources.

Interesting. Didn't know that. Just remember a few burrito guys saying they saw him in that club numerous times. That he wouldn't really interact with anyone, but he was there a few times before.

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Jbi11s wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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I think the guy was a closeted homo who hated what he was feeling, and then threw himself into Islamist extremism because he became severely damaged in the head.

I do agree, those misdirection stories, or the side stories that don't get reported always trigger a pause from me.

My biggest gripe with the coverage of tragic stories like the Pulse shooting is that there is important news happening some where at all times. By day 3 of coverage I was so frustrated with the US media last summer. As I have been at various stages of my adult life. I have a healthy distrust of whatever they tell me anyway.

The entire he was in the closet theory came from reports in the first few days afterwards that he was on gay dating apps and had been with other gay men. The FBI directly disputed that about 2 weeks after those claims were made (after they had gone through his entire past, his phone, computer, etc.) The media quietly ignored that though.

You can do a search for all of the media reports on June 14th regarding that fact. Then see what's said June 24th in the media when the FBI dismisses those earlier reports as false. Hardly a whisper from the June 14th media sources.

Interesting. Didn't know that. Just remember a few burrito guys saying they saw him in that club numerous times. That he wouldn't really interact with anyone, but he was there a few times before.


It's never been confirmed that he was previously at the club. Law enforcement said that it "seemed like he was familiar with it" and then there was this narrative that he as a closeted gay, even though: he said attacks on other Muslims were a motivation, he looked at other targets, and he was married to a woman who supported him throughout the attack.

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relevant to this thread. Orlando Sentinel runs with this today :roll:

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Pulse gunman's motive: Plenty of theories, but few answers http://thesent.nl/2qMVGGG

Here is a link to the Twitter post, the replies are great

https://twitter.com/orlandosentinel/sta ... 9630482440

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Can it be both closeted gay frustration and an Islamic inspired attack?

On a side note. One of the more tragic things about this shooting is the pussy ass swat team waiting 2 and a half hours to go in the club and end this dude. Definitely would not have had 49 people dead if there wasn't such hesitation.

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Can it be both closeted gay frustration and an Islamic inspired attack?

On a side note. One of the more tragic things about this shooting is the pussy ass swat team waiting 2 and a half hours to go in the club and end this dude. Definitely would not have had 49 people dead if there wasn't such hesitation.

Part of the problem was his 911 call stated he had bombs (including a suicide vest).

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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Can it be both closeted gay frustration and an Islamic inspired attack?

On a side note. One of the more tragic things about this shooting is the pussy ass swat team waiting 2 and a half hours to go in the club and end this dude. Definitely would not have had 49 people dead if there wasn't such hesitation.

Part of the problem was his 911 call stated he had bombs (including a suicide vest).

Yeah, I wasn't in charge, and I don't know the procedure. I just wish there wasn't so much hesitation as the guy was casually walking around shooting people.

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Tough call. If the guy says he has a bomb do you rush in possibly triggering it?

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Back to the original point, yes, they're going out of their way to ignore the inspiration. Just because he didn't get his membership card from the organization yet, doesn't mean that the inspiration doesn't matter.


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