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 Post subject: Re: Catalan Independence
PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:01 pm 
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Possible Spanish civil war and Austria just elected a nationalist PM? Who said we cant go back to the traditional values of thr 1930s.

Apparently conscription will be the types of 'jobs' Trump brings back to America.

that damn war produced the worst-written "classic" book in American literature (after Sister Carrie): For Whom the Bell Tolls. Loved the story, hated the writing.


Leave Hetfield alone.


I’ve read sister Carrie. I’ve also purged all memories of it except that I read it.


Sister Carrie is a masterpiece of literary experimentalism, re-working the conventions of the 19th-century sentimental novel to contend with the problems of nascent urban proletarianization and pervasive inequality. Carrie survives the brutality of industrial capitalism not by transcending capitalist structures (as in a Horatio Algier story), but by completely surrendering to them, instrumentalizing her emotional life to become a theatrical "star". The irony of Carrie's rise to fame, then, is that while it provides her with financial security, it does not lead her to a full realization of her individuality because the necessary precondition of stardom--or the apparent triumph of select individuals and individualism itself--is the commodification of personality. This process, in turn, reduces individuals from people to things, even if they are talking things not unlike the fetishized goods that seductively whisper to Carrie in the retail palaces of America's new mass culture. While Carrie avoids the hardships of life as a factory girl, she cannot escape the logic of capitalism itself, remaining an object to be consumed by the audiences who claim temporary ownership of her by purchasing tickets to her performances.

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 Post subject: Re: Catalan Independence
PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:04 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Catalan Independence
PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:52 pm 
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Sister Carrie is a masterpiece of literary experimentalism, re-working the conventions of the 19th-century sentimental novel to contend with the problems of nascent urban proletarianization and pervasive inequality. Carrie survives the brutality of industrial capitalism not by transcending capitalist structures (as in a Horatio Algier story), but by completely surrendering to them, instrumentalizing her emotional life to become a theatrical "star". The irony of Carrie's rise to fame, then, is that while it provides her with financial security, it does not lead her to a full realization of her individuality because the necessary precondition of stardom--or the apparent triumph of select individuals and individualism itself--is the commodification of personality. This process, in turn, reduces individuals from people to things, even if they are talking things not unlike the fetishized goods that seductively whisper to Carrie in the retail palaces of America's new mass culture. While Carrie avoids the hardships of life as a factory girl, she cannot escape the logic of capitalism itself, remaining an object to be consumed by the audiences who claim temporary ownership of her by purchasing tickets to her performances.


I'm finally getting around to Sister Carrie this weekend on this recommendation.

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 Post subject: Re: Catalan Independence
PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:01 pm 
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Tall Midget wrote:
Drunk Squirrel wrote:
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Possible Spanish civil war and Austria just elected a nationalist PM? Who said we cant go back to the traditional values of thr 1930s.

Apparently conscription will be the types of 'jobs' Trump brings back to America.

that damn war produced the worst-written "classic" book in American literature (after Sister Carrie): For Whom the Bell Tolls. Loved the story, hated the writing.


Leave Hetfield alone.


I’ve read sister Carrie. I’ve also purged all memories of it except that I read it.


Sister Carrie is a masterpiece of literary experimentalism, re-working the conventions of the 19th-century sentimental novel to contend with the problems of nascent urban proletarianization and pervasive inequality. Carrie survives the brutality of industrial capitalism not by transcending capitalist structures (as in a Horatio Algier story), but by completely surrendering to them, instrumentalizing her emotional life to become a theatrical "star". The irony of Carrie's rise to fame, then, is that while it provides her with financial security, it does not lead her to a full realization of her individuality because the necessary precondition of stardom--or the apparent triumph of select individuals and individualism itself--is the commodification of personality. This process, in turn, reduces individuals from people to things, even if they are talking things not unlike the fetishized goods that seductively whisper to Carrie in the retail palaces of America's new mass culture. While Carrie avoids the hardships of life as a factory girl, she cannot escape the logic of capitalism itself, remaining an object to be consumed by the audiences who claim temporary ownership of her by purchasing tickets to her performances.

So you see Sister Carrie as a simple country girl, a cockeyed optimist who got her crazy self mixed up in the high stakes game of world diplomacy and international intrigue? Interesting.

She sounded really hot, too.


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 Post subject: Re: Catalan Independence
PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:54 am 
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Tall Midget wrote:
Drunk Squirrel wrote:
pittmike wrote:
tommy wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
ToxicMasculinity wrote:
Possible Spanish civil war and Austria just elected a nationalist PM? Who said we cant go back to the traditional values of thr 1930s.

Apparently conscription will be the types of 'jobs' Trump brings back to America.

that damn war produced the worst-written "classic" book in American literature (after Sister Carrie): For Whom the Bell Tolls. Loved the story, hated the writing.


Leave Hetfield alone.


I’ve read sister Carrie. I’ve also purged all memories of it except that I read it.


Sister Carrie is a masterpiece of literary experimentalism, re-working the conventions of the 19th-century sentimental novel to contend with the problems of nascent urban proletarianization and pervasive inequality. Carrie survives the brutality of industrial capitalism not by transcending capitalist structures (as in a Horatio Algier story), but by completely surrendering to them, instrumentalizing her emotional life to become a theatrical "star". The irony of Carrie's rise to fame, then, is that while it provides her with financial security, it does not lead her to a full realization of her individuality because the necessary precondition of stardom--or the apparent triumph of select individuals and individualism itself--is the commodification of personality. This process, in turn, reduces individuals from people to things, even if they are talking things not unlike the fetishized goods that seductively whisper to Carrie in the retail palaces of America's new mass culture. While Carrie avoids the hardships of life as a factory girl, she cannot escape the logic of capitalism itself, remaining an object to be consumed by the audiences who claim temporary ownership of her by purchasing tickets to her performances.


Very similar to Michael Moore's autobiography.

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 Post subject: Re: Catalan Independence
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 Post subject: Re: Catalan Independence
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as expected, the declaration is pretty much useless as the people don't have weapons so it's just a futile gesture.

This is why our country's founders had the foresight to grant the right to bear firearms to citizens. When government controls who has all of the guns, then the people are reduced to being little more than sheep who must do as the wolf commands.

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 Post subject: Re: Catalan Independence
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as expected, the declaration is pretty much useless as the people don't have weapons so it's just a futile gesture.

This is why our country's founders had the foresight to grant the right to bear firearms to citizens. When government controls who has all of the guns, then the people are reduced to being little more than sheep who must do as the wolf commands.


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