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 Post subject: Re: Robert E Lee
PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:02 pm 
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The Obama administration also had a terrible record with pardoning whistleblowers. Something tells me Trump definitely wouldn't have pardoned him. And then who knows how far into the future it would be. If you want to criticize him, fine, but you seem to be ignoring the federal government is more to blame than he is for his actions. They created a situation where a Snowden was inevitable, and also didn't have proper channels in place for whistleblowers to safely come forward.
We are discussing Snowden though. He did a great thing in exposing those secrets. The problem is he then went to a place that is even worse for that kind of stuff, and gave them every piece of information he could and who knows what else he is still doing to keep his elected President of Russia happy.

If his goal was truly to bring this stuff to light stay home and have the trial of the decade.

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 Post subject: Re: Robert E Lee
PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:12 pm 
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The Obama administration also had a terrible record with pardoning whistleblowers. Something tells me Trump definitely wouldn't have pardoned him. And then who knows how far into the future it would be. If you want to criticize him, fine, but you seem to be ignoring the federal government is more to blame than he is for his actions. They created a situation where a Snowden was inevitable, and also didn't have proper channels in place for whistleblowers to safely come forward.
We are discussing Snowden though. He did a great thing in exposing those secrets. The problem is he then went to a place that is even worse for that kind of stuff, and gave them every piece of information he could and who knows what else he is still doing to keep his elected President of Russia happy.

If his goal was truly to bring this stuff to light stay home and have the trial of the decade.

Right. We are discussing him, but it makes it harder when you ignore the role the federal government played in his decision making. It's the only relevant thing to discuss and you're ignoring it.

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 Post subject: Re: Robert E Lee
PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:16 pm 
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The only way Snowden would've received a pardon or commutation of his sentence from Obama is if he turned himself into a woman.

He was right to flee and made an honest attempt to flee to a non-enemy country. However, the Obama administration performed work that made that plan impossible for Snowden. Russia was basically the only option left so I cannot place blame on him for going there.

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 Post subject: Re: Robert E Lee
PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:17 pm 
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Right. We are discussing him, but it makes it harder when you ignore the role the federal government played in his decision making. It's the only relevant thing to discuss and you're ignoring it.
I'm not ignoring their role. They would have tried him, and probably convicted him. I think a true hero would have let them do it rather than literally aid a country that is doing worse things than the country you are exposing.

He presumably had a moral issue with what the United States was doing. Why would you then buddy up with Russia simply because you don't want to get caught?

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 Post subject: Re: Robert E Lee
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The only way Snowden would've received a pardon or commutation of his sentence from Obama is if he turned himself into a woman.
Pardoning Snowden would have been much easier than Manning. What he did was more important and effected more change. A large portion of the population would have supported his pardon.

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 Post subject: Re: Robert E Lee
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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
The only way Snowden would've received a pardon or commutation of his sentence from Obama is if he turned himself into a woman.
Pardoning Snowden would have been much easier than Manning. What he did was more important and effected more change. A large portion of the population would have supported his pardon.

It doesn't matter what a large portion would have wanted. An equally large portion wanted him hanged. Ultimately Obama gave no indication he would have pardoned him.

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 Post subject: Re: Robert E Lee
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Well no one ever gets an indication like that a few days in. Manning got pardoned. Snowden had a good chance.

Like a Hillary Clinton voter I may just start yelling Russia in this thread.

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