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I know most of you without kids don't care, but my kid's school district is sending out panic letters and I wanted to know if others knew more about this. Apparently there is an Illinois school funding reform act that will change the way taxes are distributed. Apparently our school district stands to lose 70% of funding if the bill passes the house, which I find hard to believe. Here is a link:

http://illinoistimes.com/article-13966-clock-ticking-for-school-funding-reform.html

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They should start a lottery and that money can fund the educational system! :D

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I know most of you without kids don't care, but my kid's school district is sending out panic letters and I wanted to know if others knew more about this. Apparently there is an Illinois school funding reform act that will change the way taxes are distributed. Apparently our school district stands to lose 70% of funding if the bill passes the house, which I find hard to believe. Here is a link:

http://illinoistimes.com/article-13966-clock-ticking-for-school-funding-reform.html


We got one of those too.

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This issue has been simmering for a long time. Activists are concerned with the ongoing disparity of funding between rich and poor school districts because of the reliance on property taxes to fund local schools. The state sends money to districts under an ancient formula, and the activists want to change that formula to reduce the overall inequality between rich and poor schools.

I'll leave it at that.

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The state sends money to districts under an ancient formula, and the activists want to change that formula to reduce the overall inequality between rich and poor schools.

I'll leave it at that.

Sounds reasonable to me.

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Good thing we do private schooling - we get exactly what we pay for, and no less.


Yes, I agree. I happily pay about $6,000 of my property tax bill to district 300, and then a hefty bill to the private school for my kids. I am sure it is not deemed to be my fair share, but it seems like enough to me.

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denisdman wrote:
The state sends money to districts under an ancient formula, and the activists want to change that formula to reduce the overall inequality between rich and poor schools.

I'll leave it at that.

Sounds reasonable to me.


I just want to know the size check I need to write to balance the state and federal budgets and make all the activists happy. At the state level, one would think a 5% income tax, 8% sales tax (in my area), 2.5% property tax, and all the other fees like car stickers would be enough. Since it clearly is not, give me that number so everyone would just shut up. Then I can decide if going to work each day is worth it. Otherwise, I'll just liquidate my American assets and move to Costa Rica. :)

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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
I know most of you without kids don't care, but my kid's school district is sending out panic letters and I wanted to know if others knew more about this. Apparently there is an Illinois school funding reform act that will change the way taxes are distributed. Apparently our school district stands to lose 70% of funding if the bill passes the house, which I find hard to believe. Here is a link:

http://illinoistimes.com/article-13966-clock-ticking-for-school-funding-reform.html


hey CLH call it a hunch you live in an area that's mostly white, right? well consider this a check of your white privilege because for hundreds of years white people oppressed minorities/blacks that way.... like do you think they ever had any funding for their inner city schools?

so yeah now that you thought you could "escape" out to the suburbs and live a life of white privilege with $$$ for education and whatnot.... nope! it's your turn to have institutionalized poverty all around you as your area turns into flint michigan or something. welcome to the rest of the world, you CIS scum! i hope you enjoy the ride..... cuz lord knows there ain't enough $$$ to teach your kids to strive/yearn/desire for anything else!

so yeah don't fight it or even raise a ruckus. you had hundreds of years of having every advantage in the books (cuz it's not a case of "the haves" versus "the have nots" --- it's 100% clearly racism and literally a black-n-white issue) so now it's your turn to be disadvantaged and what's that? every american is free to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and go out and get a piece of the americone dream (still available after the colbert repor goes off their air WHAT WHAT?!?! =) even tho they're not exactly quoting ralph wiggum when they say "me fail english? that's unpossible!"

btw, if it makes you feel any better we've got common core initiatives out there where some of the people at the top of that initiative think that, example, if a kid says 4x3 = 11 s/he's not necessarily wrong as long as they can reasonably explain to the teacher how they came to the whole conclusion that 4x3 = 11. so yeah when a core tenet of contemporary educational intitiatives says that there's no room for cold hard SO-CALLED FACTS like "4x3=12" because the kid who gets that ? wrong might have his feelings hurt and in the end everyone's feelings are paramount over their knowledge.... welp yeah, just know that your kid is never wrong and you, sir, need to check your white privilege! and after that, realize that 4x3=12 only exists in a world decimated by a racist patriarchy that has forced these impossible conditions on minorities for hundreds of years and nowadays we're soooo progressive that we're not going to make it an issue that 4x312 because how can you fail a kid who thinks 4x3=11 when they have a thoughtful and reasoned explanation as to how they reached that conclusion.

this personally reminds me of senior year of HS where i was in the 80s/2nd-highest-level calculus classes and for the life of me i just had some problem grasping a core concept of the whole giant delta X equation that eventually teaches us why the laws of sines/cosines work the way that they do, and when i kept asking my teacher for help she got frustrated because i just wasn't grasping whatever concept i needed to know, and instead of challenging herself to find out where the flaw in my thinking process was coming from and thus helping me overcome that menta block to properly understand the concept, she instead muttered "you're beyond help" and kept on going on the chalkboard for the rest of the test.

so when that quiz/exam/test/whatever came and i had to answer the question with the big equation with delta Xs and stuff instead of attempting to answer it and failing miserably (in this case, understanding that 4x3=12) after easily answering the question using the law of sines/cosines/whatever but still being wrong because i didnt know how to break it down to the delta X stuff, i wrote a veritable essay about how if my teacher had decided to earn her likely 75-100k/+ with benefits that i might have a chance of answering this question, however since i was "beyond help" i dont think its fair for me to be expected to answer this question because my attempts to get help were met with literally-public-mockery.

so yeah back then i was yanked out into a parent/teacher/dept-head conference where the teacher said she can't handle me because there's a whole class of kids who need to learn at a certain pace to cover all of the source material and she can't go out of her way to accomodate me and it was my duty to go and seek out special tutoring and/or help from toher students (and seeing as the only help was able to get was "dude that shit you're doing is pointless because you're going to get the law of sines and cosines out of this and from that point on you never go back to that delta X stuff ever you just accept the laws of sines/cosines as fact and move on, yeap, couldnt find any way to help me with delta X) --- i ended up dropping math for the senior year and resigning myself to starting college at a lower level (it would take me 2-3 tries to get through calc2) and having another free period where i was able to drive around and do whatever (because one of the joys of modular scheduling at the time was that gym classes, let alone study halls, couldn't enforce attendance so i went from study hall to free period)

but given that situation nowadays, if common core was around i would have been lauded for my bravery in not-answering that question with a reasonable explanation because indeed, 4x3=11, and i wouldn't have been docked points for that non-answer-answer and i would have stayed in 80s math and seeing as i gave relatively-way-more of a shit back in HS than i did college, yeah, maybe i stay in that class and my GPA is higher/better and i apply to UIUC for compsci where it turns out my dad had a guy on the board of admissions so i was into the program if i wanted to be (white privilege no doubt! it's not cuz my dad knows the guy, it's cuz we're all white. duh!) but i didnt want to get rejected by my dream school/major so i never bothered to apply and instead of going away to school i stayed in chicago and didnt finish school and well, non-life-life ensues.

so yeah TL;DR = your white privilege is getting checked and look at how you bitch bitch bitch and moan when this is how hte "have nots" have had it for hundreds of years and hey look they survived! parliament funkadelic nailed it when they say "if you can dance after you've been through what we've been through you can dance on the water and not get wet" so yeah TL;DR nicolas cage's hair is a bird and your argument is irrelevant aka THERE IS NO ARGUMENT HERE. THE EVIDENCE IS IN. THERE IS NO DEBATE cuz on the CSFMB hearkening everything to a il danny beer-stine quote/MO is in fact the lowest common denominator.

and 4x3=11. welcome to 2014, CLH. hope you enjoy the social justice on tap!

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Good thing we do private schooling - we get exactly what we pay for, and no less.


Yes, I agree. I happily pay about $6,000 of my property tax bill to district 300, and then a hefty bill to the private school for my kids. I am sure it is not deemed to be my fair share, but it seems like enough to me.



District 300!! :lol: No wonder you send your kids to private schools. I is a graduate of District 300.

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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
I know most of you without kids don't care, but my kid's school district is sending out panic letters and I wanted to know if others knew more about this. Apparently there is an Illinois school funding reform act that will change the way taxes are distributed. Apparently our school district stands to lose 70% of funding if the bill passes the house, which I find hard to believe. Here is a link:

http://illinoistimes.com/article-13966-clock-ticking-for-school-funding-reform.html


hey CLH call it a hunch you live in an area that's mostly white, right? well consider this a check of your white privilege because for hundreds of years white people oppressed minorities/blacks that way.... like do you think they ever had any funding for their inner city schools?

so yeah now that you thought you could "escape" out to the suburbs and live a life of white privilege with $$$ for education and whatnot.... nope! it's your turn to have institutionalized poverty all around you as your area turns into flint michigan or something. welcome to the rest of the world, you CIS scum! i hope you enjoy the ride..... cuz lord knows there ain't enough $$$ to teach your kids to strive/yearn/desire for anything else!

so yeah don't fight it or even raise a ruckus. you had hundreds of years of having every advantage in the books (cuz it's not a case of "the haves" versus "the have nots" --- it's 100% clearly racism and literally a black-n-white issue) so now it's your turn to be disadvantaged and what's that? every american is free to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and go out and get a piece of the americone dream (still available after the colbert repor goes off their air WHAT WHAT?!?! =) even tho they're not exactly quoting ralph wiggum when they say "me fail english? that's unpossible!"

btw, if it makes you feel any better we've got common core initiatives out there where some of the people at the top of that initiative think that, example, if a kid says 4x3 = 11 s/he's not necessarily wrong as long as they can reasonably explain to the teacher how they came to the whole conclusion that 4x3 = 11. so yeah when a core tenet of contemporary educational intitiatives says that there's no room for cold hard SO-CALLED FACTS like "4x3=12" because the kid who gets that ? wrong might have his feelings hurt and in the end everyone's feelings are paramount over their knowledge.... welp yeah, just know that your kid is never wrong and you, sir, need to check your white privilege! and after that, realize that 4x3=12 only exists in a world decimated by a racist patriarchy that has forced these impossible conditions on minorities for hundreds of years and nowadays we're soooo progressive that we're not going to make it an issue that 4x312 because how can you fail a kid who thinks 4x3=11 when they have a thoughtful and reasoned explanation as to how they reached that conclusion.

this personally reminds me of senior year of HS where i was in the 80s/2nd-highest-level calculus classes and for the life of me i just had some problem grasping a core concept of the whole giant delta X equation that eventually teaches us why the laws of sines/cosines work the way that they do, and when i kept asking my teacher for help she got frustrated because i just wasn't grasping whatever concept i needed to know, and instead of challenging herself to find out where the flaw in my thinking process was coming from and thus helping me overcome that menta block to properly understand the concept, she instead muttered "you're beyond help" and kept on going on the chalkboard for the rest of the test.

so when that quiz/exam/test/whatever came and i had to answer the question with the big equation with delta Xs and stuff instead of attempting to answer it and failing miserably (in this case, understanding that 4x3=12) after easily answering the question using the law of sines/cosines/whatever but still being wrong because i didnt know how to break it down to the delta X stuff, i wrote a veritable essay about how if my teacher had decided to earn her likely 75-100k/+ with benefits that i might have a chance of answering this question, however since i was "beyond help" i dont think its fair for me to be expected to answer this question because my attempts to get help were met with literally-public-mockery.

so yeah back then i was yanked out into a parent/teacher/dept-head conference where the teacher said she can't handle me because there's a whole class of kids who need to learn at a certain pace to cover all of the source material and she can't go out of her way to accomodate me and it was my duty to go and seek out special tutoring and/or help from toher students (and seeing as the only help was able to get was "dude that shit you're doing is pointless because you're going to get the law of sines and cosines out of this and from that point on you never go back to that delta X stuff ever you just accept the laws of sines/cosines as fact and move on, yeap, couldnt find any way to help me with delta X) --- i ended up dropping math for the senior year and resigning myself to starting college at a lower level (it would take me 2-3 tries to get through calc2) and having another free period where i was able to drive around and do whatever (because one of the joys of modular scheduling at the time was that gym classes, let alone study halls, couldn't enforce attendance so i went from study hall to free period)

but given that situation nowadays, if common core was around i would have been lauded for my bravery in not-answering that question with a reasonable explanation because indeed, 4x3=11, and i wouldn't have been docked points for that non-answer-answer and i would have stayed in 80s math and seeing as i gave relatively-way-more of a shit back in HS than i did college, yeah, maybe i stay in that class and my GPA is higher/better and i apply to UIUC for compsci where it turns out my dad had a guy on the board of admissions so i was into the program if i wanted to be (white privilege no doubt! it's not cuz my dad knows the guy, it's cuz we're all white. duh!) but i didnt want to get rejected by my dream school/major so i never bothered to apply and instead of going away to school i stayed in chicago and didnt finish school and well, non-life-life ensues.

so yeah TL;DR = your white privilege is getting checked and look at how you bitch bitch bitch and moan when this is how hte "have nots" have had it for hundreds of years and hey look they survived! parliament funkadelic nailed it when they say "if you can dance after you've been through what we've been through you can dance on the water and not get wet" so yeah TL;DR nicolas cage's hair is a bird and your argument is irrelevant aka THERE IS NO ARGUMENT HERE. THE EVIDENCE IS IN. THERE IS NO DEBATE cuz on the CSFMB hearkening everything to a il danny beer-stine quote/MO is in fact the lowest common denominator.

and 4x3=11. welcome to 2014, CLH. hope you enjoy the social justice on tap!

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Good thing we do private schooling - we get exactly what we pay for, and no less.


Yes, I agree. I happily pay about $6,000 of my property tax bill to district 300, and then a hefty bill to the private school for my kids. I am sure it is not deemed to be my fair share, but it seems like enough to me.



District 300!! :lol: No wonder you send your kids to private schools. I is a graduate of District 300.


Worse, my kids would be sent to Dundee Crown. My neighbors advise that it is a decent school. We knew when we moved from Schaumburg to West Dundee that private schools were the way to go. It has been a terrific choice.

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This issue has been simmering for a long time. Activists are concerned with the ongoing disparity of funding between rich and poor school districts because of the reliance on property taxes to fund local schools. The state sends money to districts under an ancient formula, and the activists want to change that formula to reduce the overall inequality between rich and poor schools.

I'll leave it at that.



This screams to me that it is bring the top down to the middle or bottom rather than vice versa. I never understand that approach. Keep all the trees equal by hatchet, ax and saw.

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This issue has been simmering for a long time. Activists are concerned with the ongoing disparity of funding between rich and poor school districts because of the reliance on property taxes to fund local schools. The state sends money to districts under an ancient formula, and the activists want to change that formula to reduce the overall inequality between rich and poor schools.

I'll leave it at that.



This screams to me that it is bring the top down to the middle or bottom rather than vice versa. I never understand that approach. Keep all the trees equal by hatchet, ax and saw.


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denisdman wrote:
This issue has been simmering for a long time. Activists are concerned with the ongoing disparity of funding between rich and poor school districts because of the reliance on property taxes to fund local schools. The state sends money to districts under an ancient formula, and the activists want to change that formula to reduce the overall inequality between rich and poor schools.

I'll leave it at that.



This screams to me that it is bring the top down to the middle or bottom rather than vice versa. I never understand that approach. Keep all the trees equal by hatchet, ax and saw.


That's what happens when the maples formed a union.


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The state sends money to districts under an ancient formula, and the activists want to change that formula to reduce the overall inequality between rich and poor schools.

I'll leave it at that.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Yeah, Im in favor of equality. Dont see the issue there.

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I'm troubled that anyone would move FROM Schaumburg.

Do people move FROM Rome or Paris?

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I'm troubled that anyone would move FROM Schaumburg.

Do people move FROM Rome or Paris?


Rome, IL and Paris, IL ... yes. Not sure if they would be considered ESL.

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The way they found schools in this state is bad. You are only in a good position if you have a bunch of high priced houses or industry that has not been made into TIF districts.

- Last I heard the state is only funding districts at about 80% of what they are supposed to give anyways.

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It seems like a simple issue, but any money you take away from one district requires those tax payers to ante up more property tax revenue. Since the state has three distinct power bases, Chicago, suburbs, and downstate, there is no easy way to allocate scarce state money. Since most suburbs already have property tax rates of over 2% on the market value of property, there is huge resistance to increase those any higher, especially among the voting fixed income crowd.

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Regarding Senate Bill 16 (SB 16)
While a relative newcomer to Illinois, it hasn’t taken long to realize the deficiencies within
the state’s school funding formula. Recently proposed legislation, Senate Bill 16 (SB 16), offers a new funding formula that
attempts to address existing disparities. I support the State of Illinois in their effort to
develop a formula to better fund public schools. However, I cannot support any formula that
penalizes efficiently run school districts that operate below the state average for
expenditure per pupil and achieve higher than state average performance scores.
Additionally, the proposed formula only focuses on equity, while failing to acknowledge the
true issue of adequacy.

In 2013, the Education Funding Advisory Board recommended the minimum funding level
should be $8,672.00 per pupil. The Illinois legislature responded to this recommendation by
establishing the minimum funding level at $6,119.00 per pupil. However, the legislature has
consistently failed to fully fund school districts at this foundation level. Instead, the state
continues to prorate the funding formula annually. For the current year, Illinois funded
school districts 89% of the established foundation level, or $5,953.00 per pupil. The SB 16
proposal decreases the foundation level to $5,154.00, yet there is no explanation
why the state proposed this new foundation funding level. How is it that the legislature saw fit to
reduce school funding by 11.6% while revenue has improved almost...


link to full response:

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The way they found schools in this state is bad. You are only in a good position if you have a bunch of high priced houses or industry that has not been made into TIF districts.

- Last I heard the state is only funding districts at about 80% of what they are supposed to give anyways.


89% per the link and article I posted. Interesting to see how much more Chicago gets from the Feds and State vs. suburbs.

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I hope it works, and I think it will in some places. I wonder what they will say/do when it doesn't in others or if it fails completely. We'll all be in a world of shit then.


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The state sends money to districts under an ancient formula, and the activists want to change that formula to reduce the overall inequality between rich and poor schools.

I'll leave it at that.

Sounds reasonable to me.


I just want to know the size check I need to write to balance the state and federal budgets and make all the activists happy. At the state level, one would think a 5% income tax, 8% sales tax (in my area), 2.5% property tax, and all the other fees like car stickers would be enough. Since it clearly is not, give me that number so everyone would just shut up. Then I can decide if going to work each day is worth it. Otherwise, I'll just liquidate my American assets and move to Costa Rica. :)


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The state sends money to districts under an ancient formula, and the activists want to change that formula to reduce the overall inequality between rich and poor schools.

I'll leave it at that.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Yeah, Im in favor of equality. Dont see the issue there.

Kinda seems like we want poor people to work their way out of poverty but we dont want to give them any tools to do so


Giving them more money wont improve truancy & the lousy graduation rates. The problems are deep & throwing money at it will be a waste.

My kids are all out of school. I really need to move somewhere where there are no schools!

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Only one person in this thread has mentioned Pat Quinn, and that was Scorehead.

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Only one person in this thread has mentioned Pat Quinn, and that was Scorehead.


I have faith in him to fix Illinois!

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Scorehead wrote:

My kids are all out of school. I really need to move somewhere where there are no schools!

How about Afghanistan?

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My kids are all out of school. I really need to move somewhere where there are no schools!

How about Afghanistan?


I was thinking Monaco. Actually, I read something about a group of people who want to build a community on water. I could do that.

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If you care at all about our society, then you realize that the entire school system needs an upgrade. Our students are scoring poorly compared to other developed countries, and there is a huge gap between the top and bottom students. There were some great improvements in MA and FL based on innovative standards and testing methods. I was hopeful that common core might set high and realistic standards, but it is getting buried in national politics. I also hope the charter movement finds some of the needed solutions.

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