nothing wrong with that picture, it is the half a dozen guys in bandanas behind him looting the local quikie mart of smokes and slim jims that is.

Here is something I just thought of, do any of these looters take the guys scratchers and then try to claim any winnings? cuze they can tell when store the ticket was dispensed to

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

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I know there are some psych studs on this board...but don't ordinary, non-trained people frequently misinterpret the actions of those under duress? I think maybe we expect it to sound Hollywood, but in reality, it doesn't always come off like that? Not sure, though.

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He sets the example, but he was derided by the crowd.

If the community had more people like him, this country would be in a better place.

On the other side of things, we need to end the fucking drug war where our police are an occupying force.

The funny thing is that in this whole situation, no one discusses the above and how it would stop police shootings and improve communities.

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That would be funny if someone shared this as "White cop graciously accepts hug."

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^This

I tend to fucking hate our police and you know what, I still do. Our police don't protect and serve us. They treat us as subjects and serve as armed tax collectors.

I don't encourage violence against police, but I also shrug my shoulders when Dallas and Baton Rouge happen. What do the police expect when they act as they do?

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Here is where I have problems with the protesters. They end up damaging private property and private businesses. Those businesses didn't kill that man. The police did. If you're going to destroy property, destroy government property. The government is our common enemy. They are the oppressor of all American citizens, whether we realize it or not.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Let's not overstate this. Cops do a lot more than serve as armed tax collectors. Yeah, they need reformin', but....they help document and mediate as well.

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People do talk about it, but all 3 major media outlets don't pay it any attention, or flat out dismiss it like Fox. Ending the drug war scam on some fronts would totally benefit poor communities.

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Do you mean the sentences for drug convictions?

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No matter will tackle it (even the Dems) as the parties want a larger government and the drug war lets them grow government.

Just look at the cocksuckers in the DEA keeping marijuana schedule 1. I don't smoke it as I like being in control of my faculties, but I should be allowed to do so if I wish.

Heck, that happened the same week Malia was taped smoking. Do you think the DEA is going to no knock raid 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? Nope, they would do that to us though.

Obama had the ability to appoint people to end it, but he sure as hell didn't. Another fucking crook, just like fucking Bush before him.

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They really need to do a few things immediately.

Stop dressing cops in all this tech gear and making them look as if they are some elite ranger unit.

Stop the forfeiture laws so the cops are trying to make money of drug busts.

Legalize pot and coke. A lot of the other drugs I have problems legalizing.

Get the cops out with the people so that there are actual encounters with them that are not always negative.

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Had ABC on after Cub game and they said gun was not in video (shot during and immediately after shooting) but was in a still picture (taken later) released by cops

If that's true...

Then what?

Go on.....

Its gonna be lights out for decorum and civility, you can count on that!!!

Seriously they seemed to be suggesting the gun was planted. I just figured I'd see more about that here but no. Maybe ABC 7 was trolling

Yes. All non-violent drug offenders should be released from prison, immediately. Those with addictions, should have access to receive the help that they need. That is the only chance that they have to once again be a productive member of society. Drug addictions don't fix themselves in jail cells alone.

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Perhaps you had a preconceived notion.

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Totally agree. One caveat they only get a finite number of rehabs, then it has to start getting to be a harsher penalty.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

That makes no sense.

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yes it does. You cant just keep coddling people. There needs to be consequences to their actions. Also, not every drug needs/should be legal.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

I don't care if someone wants to smoke crack or bang H into their arm..why does it bother you? Why should it be a jailable offense?

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For the first couple times no, they should get fined.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

You shouldn't go to jail for abusing drugs.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

I'm not phrasing it right. They should go to tougher and longer rehab,mandated by the court not straight up prison.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

That's a strange take from a guy who has needed a lot of help along the way.




The countries that have legalized drugs have lower addiction rates than we do, and rates dropped after legalization. Legalizing drugs put drug lords out of business, and keeps non-violent users out of jail. As we have seen in Colorado, people don't just start using drugs because they are legal. I don't see an argument against it, other than being in favor of telling others what they can and cannot do.

You really seem to want to punish people.

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I'm thinking more along the lines of capital punishment.

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You first comment shows how little you know about me and what I have gone through, You want to help people but when someone who has delt with them says something you dont like as usual you get all judgmental. Im not . It is human nature, if you keep giving someone something without expectations they are not generally going to respond to it. The whole give a man a fish annd he will eat for a day ,teach a man to fish and he will never go hungry.

They drugs I am against are the ones that have been shown to have no redeeming value other than to addict the user and drain them of both life and money. Not for punishing people but for helping them to get out of the cycle. I don't want to get into a pissing match but I bet between Nas and me we have seen a ton of people who have donee the rehab multiple times. Why do I say Nas, because we come from the same general area where hardcore drug use is more prevalent than I would say 80% of the board.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

You received gov't assistance, correct? Then you got help along the way. I find it very odd that a guy who received help along the way, is complaining about the coddling of others.



As usual I am getting judgmental, huh? You are skating on thin ice, my friend.

You are the one judging addicts, and deciding how much help they should get, and when enough is enough.



Where did I say there should be no expectations? The expectation is that an addict will get the help that he/she needs, in order to become a productive member of society. I said that treatment is better than jail, when it comes to helping non-violent addicts.




That's just an empty platitude. I don't see how it relates to this discussion. There is nothing quite like a "bumper sticker philosopher".




What you fail to understand is, whether legal or not, these drugs exist, and are being abused. This is a real problem that needs real solutions. This hardline stance that you have hasn't worked very well, now has it?



Locking them in a cell, because you decided that they have had enough chances, does nothing to help them get out of the cycle. You clearly want them to be punished.




You know better than me, because of where you grew up? Yeah, you definitely aren't trying to have a pissing match. This shows how little you know about me, but you are going to sit in judgment anyway. I have lost several people who were close to me, because of drug addictions. Maybe you are unaware of it, but suburbs like Naperville are dealing with opiate epidemics. But, by all means, tell me more about how much more informed you are than I am.

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I am not saying a jail cell. Just tougher and longer rehab. Look at all the Celebs for instance who do rehab like it is a spa.They go get sober come out and go right back to the stuff they did before. Why is that? There is nothing backing up the treatment. Lohan violated her probation how many times before she got into trouble, then it was what 3 days in jail? By all accounts she is still doing the same shit. Same with Charlie Sheen. If all we do is nab people who are abusing ans sending them to a 31 day program it will become and endless cycle for some of them. An endless drain of money,you want that? Just the usual American response to a social problem,throw money at it? The thing I am having trouble understanding about your stance is if we legalize everything why would these abusers be in front of a judge?

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Need to add, Ogie needs to be careful with his posting. He keeps posting stuff like he has been in this thread the black helos and SUV gonna visit his house.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"