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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:09 pm 
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Ruffcorn lost his damn fool mind in this thread. :lol:


If you don't think the values of our society are out of whack, look at the pussy march over Trump's "locker room talk" versus the yawn that will happen over the CIA's activities.

Our society's values might be out of whack, but this is a poor example of it, and you seem to be making a few mistakes here.

First, I think you're exaggerating the outrage here. I've barely seen this mentioned anywhere. Also, I think you're overestimating the impact "being trained to kill" has on a person. The majority of Marines have never seen combat, and the vast majority have never killed someone. This isn't RECON, Delta, or Ranger school we are talking about. Many of these guys were "trained to kill" the same way I was. They definitely know better than to share naked photos of fellow marines with eachother. This isn't some gray area of morality we are talking about, and it is bizarre that you would question the idea that consent is even needed to share photos like that, but either way there is no correlation between being trained to kill and not knowing better than to share naked photos of fellow marines without their consent, as many others have said in here. It's really just a bizarre argument from your perspective, even if one agreed that our society's values are out of whack.


This was a story all over the news yesterday. There was plenty of outrage over it. If you are able to justify killing people as just part of the job you don't think it affects other areas of judgement?

I don't know what the law says about sharing photos because as I've mentioned before how do websites such as 4Chan and Reddit exist. And if people are sharing photos and there are likely millions of them, what is the punishment? Should we put them in jail?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:16 pm 
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
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Ruffcorn lost his damn fool mind in this thread. :lol:


If you don't think the values of our society are out of whack, look at the pussy march over Trump's "locker room talk" versus the yawn that will happen over the CIA's activities.

Our society's values might be out of whack, but this is a poor example of it, and you seem to be making a few mistakes here.

First, I think you're exaggerating the outrage here. I've barely seen this mentioned anywhere. Also, I think you're overestimating the impact "being trained to kill" has on a person. The majority of Marines have never seen combat, and the vast majority have never killed someone. This isn't RECON, Delta, or Ranger school we are talking about. Many of these guys were "trained to kill" the same way I was. They definitely know better than to share naked photos of fellow marines with eachother. This isn't some gray area of morality we are talking about, and it is bizarre that you would question the idea that consent is even needed to share photos like that, but either way there is no correlation between being trained to kill and not knowing better than to share naked photos of fellow marines without their consent, as many others have said in here. It's really just a bizarre argument from your perspective, even if one agreed that our society's values are out of whack.


This was a story all over the news yesterday. There was plenty of outrage over it. If you are able to justify killing people as just part of the job you don't think it affects other areas of judgement?

I don't know what the law says about sharing photos because as I've mentioned before how do websites such as 4Chan and Reddit exist. And if people are sharing photos and there are likely millions of them, what is the punishment? Should we put them in jail?

It wasn't "all over the news". I follow quite a bit of news, this was hardly "first page" material. Just another minor item in a 24 hour cycle that won't be remembered next week. It probably didn't even hit the 3 level on a 1-10 outrage meter.

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If you are able to justify killing people as just part of the job you don't think it affects other areas of judgement?


You keep saying this, and it doesn't make your logic sound any less bizarre. First, as I already mentioned, theres a good chance none of the marines involved ever killed someone, eliminating the entire question altogether. But to answer your question, no. I was trained to kill. I had poor judgement before that training and still have some of that poor judgment. It didn't positively or negatively affect my ability to make judgment calls in other areas of life. I would imagine the same would go for these Marines.

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FavreFan wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Ruffcorn lost his damn fool mind in this thread. :lol:


If you don't think the values of our society are out of whack, look at the pussy march over Trump's "locker room talk" versus the yawn that will happen over the CIA's activities.

Our society's values might be out of whack, but this is a poor example of it, and you seem to be making a few mistakes here.

First, I think you're exaggerating the outrage here. I've barely seen this mentioned anywhere. Also, I think you're overestimating the impact "being trained to kill" has on a person. The majority of Marines have never seen combat, and the vast majority have never killed someone. This isn't RECON, Delta, or Ranger school we are talking about. Many of these guys were "trained to kill" the same way I was. They definitely know better than to share naked photos of fellow marines with eachother. This isn't some gray area of morality we are talking about, and it is bizarre that you would question the idea that consent is even needed to share photos like that, but either way there is no correlation between being trained to kill and not knowing better than to share naked photos of fellow marines without their consent, as many others have said in here. It's really just a bizarre argument from your perspective, even if one agreed that our society's values are out of whack.


This was a story all over the news yesterday. There was plenty of outrage over it. If you are able to justify killing people as just part of the job you don't think it affects other areas of judgement?

I don't know what the law says about sharing photos because as I've mentioned before how do websites such as 4Chan and Reddit exist. And if people are sharing photos and there are likely millions of them, what is the punishment? Should we put them in jail?

It wasn't "all over the news". I follow quite a bit of news, this was hardly "first page" material. Just another minor item in a 24 hour cycle that won't be remembered next week. It probably didn't even hit the 3 level on a 1-10 outrage meter.

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If you are able to justify killing people as just part of the job you don't think it affects other areas of judgement?


You keep saying this, and it doesn't make your logic sound any less bizarre. First, as I already mentioned, theres a good chance none of the marines involved ever killed someone, eliminating the entire question altogether. But to answer your question, no. I was trained to kill. I had poor judgement before that training and still have some of that poor judgment. It didn't positively or negatively affect my ability to make judgment calls in other areas of life. I would imagine the same would go for these Marines.


This was a first news bloc story on all of the morning news shows on Monday. If we did not have a reality show star as president it would have been featured further. I role my eyes at it because it's the type of trashy news that they love to run with. These evil men were trading nude pictures, but if these guys went to Yemen and killed a bunch of people they would be hailed as heroes.

If you don't think training these guys to do that makes them less sensitive to the feelings of others then I don't know what else to say. Marines are the branch most likely to see combat and die in it. And then there are stats like this: http://thehill.com/policy/defense/28425 ... for-combat

I am guessing that this is not helpful in a macho alpha male environment.

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