The inevitable response to this will be Caller Bob's third or fourth "BUT OBAMA..." in this thread recently. Pretty funny how quickly people run to that.

It was Donald Trump's bill. Should I write that in crayon for you?

If you do, please remember that "government" has a two "n"s in it.

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"But every other POTUS got a honeymoon!....," that's ok? Pick a lane...pick a lane...

Except you're the one saying Trump doesn't deserve a "honeymoon", while insisting that the healthcare bill be placed squarely on Trump just like ACA was Obama. It is you who is deviating from lane to lane when it suits you.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but can you explain how that is inconsistent?

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Trump doesn't get a honeymoon, despite previous Presidents getting one (ignoring historical precedent), whereas the bill attempting to repeal and replace the ACA is "Trump's bill", just like the ACA was "Obama's bill [later: Obamacare]" (observing historical precedent). Either Trump should get a honeymoon, or the latest attempt at a legislative healthcare initiative isn't on him or "his".

I did not say that. My "tongue in cheek" comment of "I guess BO doesn't own Obamacare"... I thought indicated that. Trump owns this bill, just like BO owned Obamacare.

That's what I said...your inconsistency here is not affording Trump a honeymoon in accordance with historical [Presidential] precedent, while observing the ritual of placing major legislative initiatives at the feet of the President calling for them.

Obama endorsed the name "Obamacare" publicly. MANY agree that was a mistake by him. Both Obamacare and the GOP alternative are trash anyways I dont see why people get so freaked out by it.

Well, what if it was a success?

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If ACA had been rushed through in BO"s first 100 days, you can bet he would have got roasted in this "honeymoon" period.

Now, someone with a favorable opinion of BO would say that he carefully took his time with the bill so it would be successful in the house and senate, I fall in this category.... Critics of BO and other(POTUS')will say they purposely didn't take a hard line on anything in their 1st 100 days to avoid such criticism.(Don't agree, but I understand this argument, it's checking down for a 10 yard pass on 3 and 15)

In Trump's case, the hastley made healthcare bill(I think that's a pretty nonpartisan take to call it that) doesn't make him exempt in any "honeymoon" period. It was purposely rushed because of his asinine campaign promises.

I don't see this as a double standard at all.

That sounds like something you should ask CB, I'm commenting on the inconsistency of his logic.

[ Stop equivocating. Was the bill that wasn't called crafted by Trump's White House or by Congressional Republicans or maybe by Zeke Emanuel?[/quote]

The inevitable response to this will be Caller Bob's third or fourth "BUT OBAMA..." in this thread recently. Pretty funny how quickly people run to that.[/quote]

"But every other POTUS got a honeymoon!....," that's ok? Pick a lane...pick a lane...[/quote]

Except you're the one saying Trump doesn't deserve a "honeymoon", while insisting that the healthcare bill be placed squarely on Trump just like ACA was Obama. It is you who is deviating from lane to lane when it suits you.[/quote]

I did not say that. My "tongue in cheek" comment of "I guess BO doesn't own Obamacare"... I thought indicated that. Trump owns this bill, just like BO owned Obamacare.[/quote]

That's what I said...your inconsistency here is not affording Trump a honeymoon in accordance with historical [Presidential] precedent, while observing the ritual of placing major legislative initiatives at the feet of the President calling for them.[/quote]
There is no other President that had promised the American people so much to be done in so little time....Build the Wall...Defeat Isis.....Immigration ban...Repeal and Replace Obama Care....Pipeline being made of American Steel....and hasn't done a mother fuckin one of them. Honeymoon denied.....if this us his way of makin 'Merica great again we are fucked

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

If the bill passed the house and senate, (which shouldn't have been hard considering the guy sold to us in November as the ultimate deal-maker, couldn't make a deal with a Republican Congress), then, you have to give him a "political win" and see how the bill plays out when enacted in law.

Any historical precedent of a honeymoon period was forfeited when he ran a campaign based on immediate action(defined timelines) with irrational promises and inflammatory rhetoric.

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Except every part of that--save for, maybe, "inflammatory rhetoric"--can describe candidacies of MANY who ultimately got an extended period of time during which the media treated them with kid gloves, a honeymoon, if you will.

One would think the "ultimate deal maker" would have got involved at that point? No? I don't care how rough the seas are, bring the ship home

Inflammatory rhetoric is relative.

I'd like to know which ones struck out on a major bill, so early, with their own party controlling the house. I know ,I know, it's coming..."But the freedom caucus!"

Well, like JORR likes to fall back on, no other president has ever "sounded" like Trump. JORR reads that as "common man speak," but I refer to the constant, blatant, instantly proven lying to the American people. He coined "fake News" and "alternative facts." He declared the media was an enemy. Cause and effect.

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I thought he was done after the "John-McCain /Captured" comments, but he survived that.
Common man speak = dumb/white trash/uneducated

Are we still talking about a honeymoon period, or not? This seems like you've added a third lane, in the opposite direction.

Can you cite a POTUS, that had a major bill fail(not even up for vote) in his first 100 days when his own party controlled the house? I cannot name one off the top of my head. Hence why this is:

A) Unprecedented
B) Immune from a "honeymoon period"
C) Fair game

Trump's major lies aren't much different than those of other presidents, e.g. "Read my lips..." or "If you like your doctor..." But he also lies about picayune nonsense like his inauguration or his tiny hands.

Also, he didn't coin the term "fake news". That was Hillary who used it as another excuse as to why she lost. Trump has merely co-opted it.

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What is "white trash"?

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Freedom is our Strength.

Why should anyone give a shit about the mainstream media unless they are reporting outright falsehoods. If you want favorable headlines then stop picking fights and lying your ass off as if you were still some celebrity dipshit running a shitty reality show.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

This.

Every other President in my lifetime has been granted a honeymoon period because they knew what they didn't know and didn't come out of the gate swinging wildly at everyone from the press to the Intelligence community to tv game how hosts.

There is no doubt that Trump has been treated differently. Because he acts different.

It may not be fair, but you reap what you sow in some cases.

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