Italian isn't an ideology.

I'm curious, what do these inclusive, assimilation-oriented programs and policies look like?

I suggest reading this piece. https://www.fpri.org/2016/04/us-doesnt- ... em-europe/

It's not really so much a single program so much as it is a way of life and attitude we have as a nation

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I'm aware of the Italian, Polish, German, etc history of immigration. For some reason Mexicans as a group have experienced slower gains economically/educationally compared to Koreans, Muslim,s Indians, and Chinese. Either the system is failing them or they aren't buying into America.

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I should add that this is one of the reasons why it is detestable to see much of the American left in favor of multiculturalism. By supporting this, they are discouraging what has worked for decades and instead are trying to push groups to be insular via identity politics. People opposed to assimilation like Sarsour need to be opposed and challenged at every turn.

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Never come across press 2 for English.

Well immigrants from Asia are often coming here with a degree and thus are quickly assimilated into jobs which pay well. You can thank a combination of culture and the strong educational systems across Asia (even 3rd world Asian countries like Vietnam kick our schools in the ass when it comes to proficiency and test scores).

Immigrants from Mexico and Central America are not coming here having received the best educations in their home countries. I'd say take a look and let's see where their children and grandchildren are after they have been through US schools. I think you will be pleasantly surprised by what turns out.

Also wise note to US conservatives, but if you stop being assholes to them, you might find that their values are probably more in line with your own than any other immigrant group. If you had continued the outreach that GWB had, you probably could've turned Hispanic voters into regular Republican voters. Of course that bridge has now been burned.

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https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article ... ing-behind

Even with gains in secondary education they aren't outpacing their parents.

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Wearing a burqa doesn't really suggest that one is attempting to fit into America.

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In any case we've derailed the shit out of a thread about everyone's favorite right wing conman James O'Keefe.

I'm guilty of it by bringing up the M&Ms (Muslims and Mexicans).

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The immigrant mother who comes over often wears a burqa, but we find her daughter and granddaughter born here shed it.

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Everytime you hear or see the words "cultural appropriation" you should think anti-assimilation.

Mexicans are fine. A lot of it has to do with them being poorer when they got here and the legally dubious means of their arrival in the country stunting their ability to fully integrate, but now that they are having children the ball is starting to really roll. I wish we could do something about resolving the status of the people already in the USA but the left has decided all of a sudden that amnesty for anyone (even DACA) is unacceptable.

Thank you for providing that link. The article itself states that this is largely a factor of the undocumented status of 2/3rd of the Mexican immigrant group, which makes it difficult to attain a job and education matching their ability. Now I'm not saying they should be granted these things, but if we simplified our immigration process so that more could come in legally, they would have the same opportunities as other groups. I'd be curious what the study would say if it just focused on legal Mexican immigrants.

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100% agreed on the bolded statement and much of what you say in this post.

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From that article....


Among immigrants, the Mexican foreign born have consistently been the least educated. In 1970, eight of every 10 adult Mexican immigrants lacked a high school degree; in 2004, the proportion fell to just under six in 10, well over 30 percent above any other group. This gradual decline, however, was out of line with the shifts other groups experienced. Relative to whites and other groups, the gap actually grew.

So, you're nailing a Latina, then?

Everyone else (who came in great numbers) had to assimilate...

Also from that article:

Although second-generation Mexicans, at 14 percent, are much more likely to possess a college degree, they still lag behind whites.

I was saying college not high school.

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Look I dont really blame a lot of the immigrants, particularly hispanics who in my personal experience have seem extremely committed to becoming Americans. Our culture, and it really transcends borders, has swung in this direction that if you complain loud enough and long enough you'll get what you want. Victims are heroes now! So hey, if you say you're oppressed because white Americans are appropriating tacos and cinco de mayo celebrations it'll buy you some sympathy with that other group of white liberals that perhaps didn't get enough of the "other side" of the left/right debate in college. If that means they hand out some scholarships for your kids (and when they just pat each other on the back about how open minded they are at the ceremony for handing them out, well just look past that) or more investment in your community (double edged sword) then whatever, its worth it. Is there anything more American than doing whatever it takes to get ahead?

To be honest, hispanics and especially blacks have been by far the most socially conservative major groups in America in my experience. They vote democrat, but nobody is more alarmed at using 30 different pronouns and little Hector cutting his wang off becuase Beyonce said to than abuelita. Liberals keep rooting for this day when America will be white minority and they can advance their agenda at will, I dont think they have realized that most of these people are appalled by a lot of what the left advocates.

Hyperbole much?

This is virtually the same thing that they have done in every single expose. Come up with a story, put a hook on it, and cast for fish. This time the Post didn’t bite and did their job. Good for them.

Sorry your feelings are hurt about being called a Trumpet. Get over it.

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I heard Victor Davis Hanson giving a talk where he mentioned that his wife was teaching a junior college class and all the students were Mexican or Mexican-American. She made an off-hand comment about Trump during the election season naturally assuming that all her students were anti-Trump. One of the girls in the class asked her why she would think such a thing and suggested she poll the class. 23 of the 26 students supported Trump over Clinton.

Hanson's takeaway was based more on economics than social mores. He mentioned that the people he works with at Stanford love green energy and where they live the infrastructure exists and it's relatively cheap. But the people- mostly Mexican immigrant families- who live near his home in Bakersfield are being punished in the form of high prices per kilowatt hour. On 100 degree desert days they gather at the Walmart to keep cool. The professors and politicians don't care about how the policies they make are affecting these people and they are immune to the effects of their policies themselves.

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Again, my feelings aren't hurt. It's just something that isn't true.

But if you don't see the difference between what they have done before and sending a woman in pretending to be the victim of sexual assault, we'll just have to disagree.

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I've told Ogie this before, Too many Mexicans come here and turn their neighborhood into a mini mexico.. The only difference between the Euro muslim and US muslim is #s.. Europe has an obscene amount while we have few..if one in 1k are shitbags for example.

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Not sure this is worth getting that worked up over.

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Didn't the large immigrations Italian immigrant communities turn parts of NY into Little Italy? Thus my direct reference to NY's Lower East Side. That of course subsided with the generations that followed. I expect the same pattern with today's immigrant groups.

While a work of fiction, The Godfather Part II demonstrates this quite well. Just look at the scenes with a young Vito. They are fairly accurate and true to the time of early 20th century NY.

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It wasn't moveon.org that I was thinking about, but Acorn (rip) that was victimized by right wing fraud. Oops

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I believe he had to pay a settlement for that.

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Molto bene.

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Nah, it's not that they aren't coming here. It's that we do a much better job of assimilating them than Europe does.

Edit: nvm, I see this was already pointed out a few times.

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We get fewer of them and the ones we get tend to be better educated. Meanwhile, Algeria just dumps all its dipshits into France.

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