Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nas wrote:
Democrats rhetoric (not results) on social issues turned off MANY working class whites. They can stomach the social shift as long as you wink at them too. Bill Clinton and Joe Biden and Bernie understand this and all have talked to these voters. Biden and Bernie are loved by MANY of them. Reality is that the demographic change the country is seeing will make it easier to continue to ignore them over the next 10 to 20 years.
Yeah, but there's another side to that and you're obviously aware of it since you used the words "rhetoric (
not results)". I have no doubt that many Democrats care more about social issues particularly with regard to minorities than Republicans. I certainly think someone like Patty Murray or Elizabeth Warren is kinder than Paul Ryan or Donald Trump. But you can't feed your family with intentions. I know you were offended by Trump's "what have you got to lose?" question, but really, if whatever he does helps black people or gay people or whatever, what difference does it make what his intentions are? We've often made jokes here about "what's in his heart". Frankly, his heart can be as small and mean as the Grinch and who cares as long as his policies- as scattershot as they may be- are helping Americans?
Anyway, back to your question regarding my current contempt for the American Left, to me "Left" and "Labor" were always synonymous. That's clearly no longer the case. "Left" now is a lunatic fringe that concerns itself with silliness like "microaggressions" and transgender bathrooms.
Which policies do you think specifically would help minorities so far? What are these swell things that people should definitely give Trump a chance about? Your defenses of Trump always refer to these various vague possibilities (see also: The Democrats should try to make a deal with Trump on healthcare because Trump loves making deals!), but rarely is there any substance. The mere fact that the Democrats have failed to improve the material condition of many people for years doesn't mean the Republicans should deserve a chance to do so by default, particularly when much of their rhetoric indeed suggests making material conditions worse for many people.
I think the Democrats have failed people of all stripes for years and hate preening lesser evil lecturers as much as anyone, but there is definitely something to be said about the Trump administration normalizing the kind of blatant racism pushed by Bannon, Sessions, et. al, and that kind of rhetoric becoming salient absolutely can and does have policy implications.
I have never made a defense of Trump in this forum and if you want to have a real discussion you should stop suggesting that I have. Otherwise, when I see your name I will just put you in the DannyB and Baby McNown category.
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My "performance" was a debacle? I guess you're just so smart that you see no problem with reporters trying to diagnose the president with mental disease. If that's a defense of the guy being diagnosed by Jim Acosta, I'll own that.
