You made a promise? To who, Satan? I hope so because Satan is more principled than Hillary. Maybe she can call out Bernie as a gun advocate again because he wouldn't allow litigation against gun manufacturers for murder. Of course, Hillary understands how ridiculous that is, but she would sell what's left of her soul to be president for a day.

Anyway... we've already established that Lincoln wanted to abolish slavery, and neither you nor anyone else has provided evidence to the contrary.

George Washington became a slave owner at the early age of eleven, when his father died and left him the 280 acre farm near Fredericksburg, Virginia where the family was then living. In addition, Washington was willed ten slaves. As a young adult, Washington purchased at least eight slaves, including a carpenter named Kitt who was acquired for £39.5. Washington purchases more slaves in 1755, four other men, two women, and a child.

It was after his marriage to Martha Dandridge Custis in January of 1759 that Washington's slaveholdings increased dramatically. His young bride was the widow of a wealthy planter, Daniel Parke Custis, who died without a will in 1757; her share of the Custis estate brought another eighty-four slaves to Mount Vernon. In the sixteen years between his marriage and the beginning of the American Revolution, Washington acquired slightly more than 40 additional slaves through purchase.2 Most of the subsequent increase in the slave population at Mount Vernon occurred as a result of the large number of children born on the estate.

I'm much more interested in what he did as opposed to what he said. I could also find another set of quotes which demonstrate something completely opposite.

When it was all said and done slavery ended as result of the South losing the Civil War. Lincoln didn't advocate for the war at all. His involvement was a reaction to secession efforts on the part of Southern States. At no point of his political career did he advocate for an end to slavery. If the South doesn't secede then there is no way slavery ends during his Presidency.

For instance they were never taught that Columbus was a slave owner.

His election started the war. You have zero facts here. There is no way of knowing what would have happened if the South didn't rebel. Here are the facts: he won the war and freed the slaves. Since that's what you are interested in.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

This is where the disconnect lay. He was perfectly content to allow for the continuation of slavery. He wasn't in favor of the expansion of slavery. The South rebelled because Lincoln wouldn't allow slavery to expand. His antipathy towards slavery didn't result in there being a Civil War. Abolition of slavery wasn't even part of his rationale for fighting the war.

For instance they were never taught that Columbus was a slave owner.

You started that you did not care about his thoughts. This includes his rationale for fighting. He led a war effort that punished the South for slavery and ended the institution. If he had gone after slavery before he won the war, there is a better chance that he loses the war. And you have zero way of proving he would have kept slavery in the south because he never had the opportunity.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

"You think slavery is right and should be extended, while we think it is wrong and should be limited. That, I suppose, is the trouble. It surely is the only important difference between us."

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

I'm sorry Abe didn't want to expand slavery.

The South rebelled because Lincoln wouldn't allow slavery to expand.

You are continuously making false statements. The fact of the matter is that the South seceded from the Union. This led to the start of the Civil War. How can you make the claim that he punished States for slavery when 4 states were allowed to have slaves for the entirety of the war?

It was Lincoln who stated that his primary goal was to preserve the Union. If maintaining slavery accomplished this then he'd do it. If ending slavery accomplished this then he'd do it.

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For instance they were never taught that Columbus was a slave owner.

Correct!

You still owe my amazing grandmother an apology. She'll probably still punch you in your sleep.

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

You said "naked" and bearing breasts (which are reproductive organs and thus technically "genitals" are they not?) is "naked" for all intents and purposes.

Pro-slavery protesters were Soros paid agitators who wanted to undermine Lincolns' presidency by trying to break away from the union. They were also democrats by the way and are up to the same shit today except for the racial stuff. Trump inheritated that shit from the libtards of lincolns' time but if u listen to the MSM in their presentist bias theyll never acknowledge the racism of libtards back in the 1800s and just present it as trumps' alone.

Less is more.

Agreed! Especially posts about bowling!

My grandmother was a gstrong woman who did a lot of great things in her life. She definitely wouldn't appreciate being called Satan. A Saint? Probably.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

What, you promised your grandma you wouldn't vote for a Jew?

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

Goddammit, Nas... you're the one who keeps reigniting the fire.

Your use of the word "charlatan" is ridiculous. Hillary Clinton's picture should be in the dictionary next to the word "charlatan." She doesn't give a rat's ass about you, your family, or your community. You know what she cares about?... getting elected. I'm sorry you and Grandma Nas fell for her tricks. You seem like good people who deserve better.

I didn't bring up Thieving Bernie.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Jesus fucking Christ, you troll.

The menstrual cycle changes among Hassidic Jewish women was something as well.

He invaded the South, don't you think that's a form of punishment? What false facts? You stated you do not care what his thoughts were. So why do you care what his "primary goal" was? You are literally over over the place.

As for allowing slaver in certain states. He did not want other states to take up arms against the Union. If the war was lost slavery was going to continue regardless if the South won. Also, how was he supposed to enforce freeing slaves outside the Confederacy law when all federal powerful power was being used to fight the rebellion? So what's your point here?

Let's get to the bottom of this because you are not making any sense. You think Lincoln was racist so you don't like him. There are no facts that could change your mind.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

When I hear "went to war to end slavery" it's false.

You haven't provided many and you are comfortable ascribing motives but you think it OK for me to do so. As far as Lincoln''s racism that plays a role but it isn't the defining thing for me.

When I hear "went to war to end slavery" it's false.

For instance they were never taught that Columbus was a slave owner.

What's this about?

This was directed to Nas who said he didn't like Lincoln because he wasn't morally against the subjugation of Africans at but at the same time Nas praised Washington, a slave holder. My point is if you want to criticize Lincoln's attitudes and beliefs on slaves then you have to criticize everyone at that time and earlier, like Washington.

I have provided all the facts. You choose to speculate on what Lincoln's "real motivation" was. There were quotes in this thread that showed his distaste for slavery, and his understanding that the nation could not go on as half slave and half free. Do you think he went to war to keep slavery intact? It was going away as soon as his election triggered Southern rebellion.

Blaming Lincoln for Jim Crow is the definition of fake facts.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

That speaks to intent and no point in his career fid he every intend to end slavery.

You cherry picked quotes to fit your narrative. I can also pick quotes that show how he thought blacks were inferior. I can also pick quotes stating that blacks should go back to Africa. I also can cherry pick quotes which stated that he wasn't willing to go to war over slavery. Mt argument isn't whether Lincoln believed in slavery or not. My argument pertains to the fallacious argument regarding ending slavery. That speaks to intent and no point in his career fid he every intend to end slavery. That is my point. He was at best indifferent on the issue.

For instance they were never taught that Columbus was a slave owner.