Yes! And in the absence of that, one side should not be claiming moral superiority!

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agreed.

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Agreed.

Who has two sets of standards?

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rpb was taking a shot at some of the board liberals.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

You said dems. Now you're limiting it to just Senators.

Anyway, here is another one...

Rep. Joe Crowley (D-N.Y.), chairman of the House Democratic Caucus, is the highest ranking Democrat to call for Franken’s resignation.

“I think it’s time for Sen. Franken to go,” Crowley said in an interview.




And you also said proving cover. Silence, while not the best route, is not providing cover.


Providing cover is saying that the virgin Mary was a minor or that starting a large family requires dating 14 year olds.

Right. They aren't defending him but almost all of them have been silent on that.

RPB, you can't dismiss the McConnell comments on Moore and counter with some guy nobody has ever heard of calling for Franken to resign and act like the Dems somehow have the advantage there. That's BIASED NEWS.

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I think that sentence tells us all we need to know on this.

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I read "Crowley" as "Cowley".

I asked which one of his colleagues asked for his resignation. I'd say "colleagues" for a Senator certainly implies other Senators. That was my original question.

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I am not claiming dems have the advantage at all. I thought that was clear.

I havent seen much cover. If you mean Silence = cover, then that's fair. Ogie's original statement seemed to indicate they were defending him.


As far as two sets of standards...

There is this
viewtopic.php?p=2858634#p2858634


And I dont see much criticism aimed at R's that have been silent on Moore. Perhaps I missed that.

So to me, it seems like people are criticizing the actual defense (virgin mary, alabamans are too stupid to know better, etc) of Moore with the silence on Franken.

I think defending is worse than silence in this case.

Next day...





And I am a big fan of SM the poster

Pretty sure Franken could get re-elected today.

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Didn’t we see many right pols say he should drop out?

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Essence.

Well, it also seems like you're conflating idiots on a message board with official statements by reporters and politicians. I don't think we need to mix in SuperMario's thoughts with Mitch McConnells.

But I don't see anyone of any merit defending Moore. We can find the idiot who said the virgin mary comment or the moron who wrote that Federalist article, but it's just as easy to find shitheads defending Franken on the internet. I think we should limit it to people who actually matter, otherwise we can get this thread to 100 pages pretty easily just by finding crazy people who have said outrageous shit one way or the other about it.

Also, the "People from Alabama are too stupid to know better" comment isn't wrong. Moore's support among women increased the most of any demographic after the allegations went public.

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Yes quite a pickle.

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Haven’t read the whole thread, but the politics are also very different. Franken gets replaced with another dem—no harm done to the party. Moore withdraws and the seat likely flips from R to D.

That’s why R’s aren’t coming out even stronger against Moore—it’s about the seat, not the guy. Morally easy, politically difficult.

For the D’s, it seems throwing Franken under the bus should be easy both politically and morally.

And Moore likely wins by double digits in a couple weeks. What's your point?

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Pretty sure he couldn't since today is not a Tuesday.

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So we had a family member pass away recently. We were cleaning stuff out of their house. This family member was a bad hoarder and a wacky liberal - bad combo. They had a ton of mail they had not opened - a lot from various leftist political organizations. But I almost died laughing when I saw some mail correspondence from

"Al Franken's Midwest Values Pac"

If that's not the most ironic PAC, I don't know what is. I tried to upload a photo to the site, but I don't know how to upload photos from non websites.

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How about those who are calling for Franken to resign being silent about our harasser-in-chief?

He has 17 accusers and got elected to be president. No one calling for his resignation?

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well to be fair, we as a country agreed that POTUS's are above the law in regards to those accusations 20 years ago. Why do you think Hillary couldn't press Trump on that issue? Any other Dem would've been in a position to more or less perform a killshot on Trump's campaign after Access Hollywood, but she had spent the entire 1990s calling her husband's accusers bimbos and liars.

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The Congressional Office of Compliance secretly paid close to $100,000 in taxpayer funds to settle sexual harassment claims from at least two young male staffers who worked for disgraced former Congressman Eric Massa, multiple sources with direct knowledge of the matter told ABC News.

Great use of taxpayer money!!!! Can't wait until more congressmen are accused.

Franken is going to try to weasel his way out of this one, it appears:

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... non-denial

Do you think cupping a woman's ass is a capital crime? Or is it something that- if it is really so disturbing- we should expect an adult to respond to with, "Hey man! What the fuck are you doing?" at the time it occurred?

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This has been my argument all along but I always get: the "power dynamic" prevented them from saying anything. I can't wrap my brain around it personally.

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From that post alone, I have a feeling we agree more than we disagree on this whole issue.

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And that may be a legitimate argument when you're a 23 year old page and Matt Lauer is pinching your ass, but it really doesn't apply to taking a photo with a goofy senator at a state fair.

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Some people lack the assertiveness to respond to aggressiveness (or forwardness, if aggressiveness is too harsh a term) in such a way, though. Maybe it is a cultural thing (ie., women and young people are voiceless), but probably more of a psychological trait. Theoretically, you'd learn coping skills (how to become assertive when you need to be) along the way, but that obviously doesn't happen to everyone.

In short, I can see how the "power dynamic" argument might be valid, but not really for the reasons those people suggest.

I could see there being a bit of a state of shock in which you get frozen. "Did a senator just grab my ass?"

Your first inclination is to probably explain it away, that you misinterpreted what was happening.

Upon further review, it turns to "That senator grabbed my ass!"

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