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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:22 pm 
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There's a revolution happening in the Netherlands right now. It isn't getting much coverage though.


Spraying pigshit on buildings isn't a revolution

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I get that BRick finds it absurd that a bunch of ranchers in Nevada could take on the U.S. Government. (Though that actually happened rather recently: https://nohostagesradio.com/articles/bu ... government ). But is anything more absurd than a bunch of guys with muskets (I keep being told THEY HAD MUSKETS!) taking on the most powerful military and navy on the planet and winning?
:lol: That article was amazing.

But, the government botching a case and losing in court, as they should have, isn't exactly the Bundy militia forcing the government to retreat.



The Bundys did win the standoff with the government though. You could argue that the government had the manpower and firepower to slaughter the Bundys and that's true. But if they had done that, there may have been a lot larger group with even more weapons the next time the Feds stuck their noses into business thousands of miles away from Washington, D.C.

I get that we imagine these things "can't happen here" but they happen all the time all over the world. A bunch of Iranian students hatched a revolution at Alumni Hall right here in Chicago and managed to take out the Shah who was backed by the United States.


But wasn't the Iranian revolution a product of mass protest, not armed insurrection? The government had the superior firepower and lost. So how does a victory by largely unarmed People validate your position on the Second Amendment?


I never said a revolution can't be successful without weapons. It certainly is more difficult though.


But you were arguing about the value of guns in helping people stand up to the tyranny of governmental oppression and then provided an example where ordinary people did so without guns. Indeed, it was the very fact that the citizens were unarmed that allowed them to succeed.

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Tall Midget wrote:
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I get that BRick finds it absurd that a bunch of ranchers in Nevada could take on the U.S. Government. (Though that actually happened rather recently: https://nohostagesradio.com/articles/bu ... government ). But is anything more absurd than a bunch of guys with muskets (I keep being told THEY HAD MUSKETS!) taking on the most powerful military and navy on the planet and winning?
:lol: That article was amazing.

But, the government botching a case and losing in court, as they should have, isn't exactly the Bundy militia forcing the government to retreat.



The Bundys did win the standoff with the government though. You could argue that the government had the manpower and firepower to slaughter the Bundys and that's true. But if they had done that, there may have been a lot larger group with even more weapons the next time the Feds stuck their noses into business thousands of miles away from Washington, D.C.

I get that we imagine these things "can't happen here" but they happen all the time all over the world. A bunch of Iranian students hatched a revolution at Alumni Hall right here in Chicago and managed to take out the Shah who was backed by the United States.


But wasn't the Iranian revolution a product of mass protest, not armed insurrection? The government had the superior firepower and lost. So how does a victory by largely unarmed People validate your position on the Second Amendment?


I never said a revolution can't be successful without weapons. It certainly is more difficult though.


But you were arguing about the value of guns in helping people stand up to the tyranny of governmental oppression and then provided an example where ordinary people did so without guns. Indeed, it was the very fact that the citizens were unarmed that allowed them to succeed.


As you said above, the Iranian government had superior firepower and lost. Yet I've been told over and over again in this thread that The People could never defeat the U.S. government.

I disagree with your contention that the Iranian revolution was successful because of a lack of firepower.

And if the Iranian people had been armed perhaps there would have been no reason to revolt in the first place. I'm sure you agree that The People should not fear their government and that rather the government should fear The People.

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These things you’re describing assume we live in a world that operates on movie rules. It’s like you think there’s a narrative structure to our lives.

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These things you’re describing assume we live in a world that operates on movie rules. It’s like you think there’s a narrative structure to our lives.


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These things you’re describing assume we live in a world that operates on movie rules. It’s like you think there’s a narrative structure to our lives.


That's your assumption. All revolutions entail defeating a sitting government with ostensibly more firepower. But they happen. How?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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These things you’re describing assume we live in a world that operates on movie rules. It’s like you think there’s a narrative structure to our lives.


That's your assumption. All revolutions entail defeating a sitting government with ostensibly more firepower. But they happen. How?


Your example was a country that doesn’t have a second amendment.

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These things you’re describing assume we live in a world that operates on movie rules. It’s like you think there’s a narrative structure to our lives.


That's your assumption. All revolutions entail defeating a sitting government with ostensibly more firepower. But they happen. How?


Your example was a country that doesn’t have a second amendment.


Again, I never said revolutions couldn't occur without a Second Amendment. With a Second Amendment perhaps they don't need to.

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The hypothetical revolt against our government has to be popular among the general population but outside of the most extreme scenarios there are non-violent ways to deal with a revolt against the government with popular ideas.

For all the credit we give the Founding Fathers for knowing exactly how guns should be legislated for hundreds of years after they all died it also should be pointed out they thought the general population was stupid and untrustworthy and a strong skepticism that Democracy could actually function at a level above local politics. That's why pretty much everything was that anything that people vote for is either incredibly difficult to pass like Constitutional Amendments or was designed to be easily ignored if enough of the political class decided it should be ignored.

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they thought the general population was stupid and untrustworthy and a strong skepticism that Democracy could actually function at a level above local politics.



Which is true. Thus they created the Senate and the Electoral College and set up the federal government to have minimal impact, leaving anything not specifically addressed in the Constitution to the states.

Unfortunately, certain states insisted on allowing specific human beings to be held as property which rendered the entire thing illegitimate and forever cast aspersions on the concept of states' rights. And then hunger and desperation during the Great Depression allowed FDR to dismantle the Constitution.

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The hypothetical revolt against our government has to be popular among the general population but outside of the most extreme scenarios there are non-violent ways to deal with a revolt against the government with popular ideas.

For all the credit we give the Founding Fathers for knowing exactly how guns should be legislated for hundreds of years after they all died it also should be pointed out they thought the general population was stupid and untrustworthy and a strong skepticism that Democracy could actually function at a level above local politics. That's why pretty much everything was that anything that people vote for is either incredibly difficult to pass like Constitutional Amendments or was designed to be easily ignored if enough of the political class decided it should be ignored.

Hundreds of years? Didn't TJ talk of revolution every 20 years?

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Welp looks like the waters have been sufficiently muddied. Time to move along.

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Just say nothing guy. It’s literally the least you could do.

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Just say nothing guy. It’s literally the least you could do.



If he wanted people to hate him and his family more than they already do, I'm not sure what he would says differently.

Are you ever surprised when a person with face tats does something else crazy?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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https://abc7chicago.com/highland-park-shooting-parade-robert-crimo-father/12026458/

Just say nothing guy. It’s literally the least you could do.



If he wanted people to hate him and his family more than they already do, I'm not sure what he would says differently.

Are you ever surprised when a person with face tats does something else crazy?


I initially thought the framing of the question: “do you feel guilty about getting him a FOID card” was a bit low, but then I remembered he signed off on it after his kid made threats to kill himself and his family. Soup brained behavior.

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Between the crazy, swat-flashing mom and the clueless idiot dad, it's a wonder this kid made it to 22 before he shot up a parade.


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Between the crazy, swat-flashing mom and the clueless idiot dad, it's a wonder this kid made it to 22 before he shot up a parade.


Can't forget about the uncle.

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There was no need for this kid to purchase 1 gun let alone 5 other than he had a fascination with guns. The kid was an unemployed high school dropout who welched and mooched off of his family til he couldn't take it anymore probably.
His idiot father should never have signed off on the intial FOID card in the first place seeing as there was no "plausible" reason to actually do so. As MANY continously have stated, he grew up in the rather "affluent" Highland and not the rather hood Garfield Park. No one was "at him" so there was no need for him to possess a gun in the first place. At 19 the father should have been asking him about college and job prospects instead of signing off on gun cards.

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There was no need for this kid to purchase 1 gun let alone 5 other than he had a fascination with guns. The kid was an unemployed high school dropout who welched and mooched off of his family til he couldn't take it anymore probably.
His idiot father should never have signed off on the intial FOID card in the first place seeing as there was no "plausible" reason to actually do so. As MANY continously have stated, he grew up in the rather "affluent" Highland and not the rather hood Garfield Park. No one was "at him" so there was no need for him to possess a gun in the first place. At 19 the father should have been asking him about college and job prospects instead of signing off on gun cards.


I agree with you on this. I will also add that the local PD failed on making sure in notifying the State PD about his behavior. If they had done so he would not have gotten the FOID. Plus,when they responded to the second call they should have put him under a 72 hour mental health hold in a hospital,that would have also prevented the FOID

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I'll tell you one thing I'm getting tired of hearing...
The NRA and it's lobby is responsible for not passing laws.
That's horseshit. The NRA doesn't vote on legislation. The senators and congressmen do. They're responsible for their own votes. Now I'm a gun owning pro 2nd guy as you all know but never once have I given one fuck about the NRAs score of a candidate.
When you complain about a lobby group what you're saying is that your campaign money is more important than representing your constituents.

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I'll tell you one thing I'm getting tired of hearing...
The NRA and it's lobby is responsible for not passing laws.
That's horseshit. The NRA doesn't vote on legislation. The senators and congressmen do. They're responsible for their own votes. Now I'm a gun owning pro 2nd guy as you all know but never once have I given one fuck about the NRAs score of a candidate.
When you complain about a lobby group what you're saying is that your campaign money is more important than representing your constituents.


I was actually a bit surprised not to hear NRA too much on tv the last two times.

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So this fucker shot an 8yr old. The child survived but his spinal cord was severed and he’ll be paralyzed the rest of his life.

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The sadist in me is jealous that 8yo will prob get more pussy 40 times over than I ever will

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You have fostered an environment in which nobody can take criticism, where we told every little rotten shit that they're special when 98% of them are absolutely not special, you've told them that every little feeling they have is ok when it's not. You've medicated evey child that, like every 10 year old, is hyper. All the while you've normalized very abnormal feelings and attitudes about identity and self and what is and is not acceptable behavior. You've turned Americas youths into pill popping depressive goons in a single generation and yet when these mind altered over medicated kids do something extremely stupid, you've blamed it on the guns instead of shitty parenting and terrible schooling and awful doctoring.


All that may be true but I still wonder, how would these drugged up kids manage to kill so many people so quickly if they didn't have easy access to high-powered rifles?

Do you think they're too unresourceful to find a way? Our whole country changed overnight because of a half dozen guys with box cutters.

This is a really good point. If we hadn't let a kid who tried to stab his parents buy a gun, he would have done 9/11.

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Honest question. If that kid didn't get a rifle, do you believe he'd never have killed people?

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Honest question. If that kid didn't get a rifle, do you believe he'd never have killed people?

At worst, he probably just offs himself. That's still a tragedy, but he wouldn't take another dozen innocent people with him.

Kids like this are lazy. I know he's an adult, but this is someone who was never going to grow up. You throw a few hoops he has to jump through to get his gun, he'll get bored and hopefully throw himself off a bridge instead.

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The first known family interaction with police was when the now accused shooter was almost two years old. His mother, Denise Pesina, was arrested for endangering the life of a child after she was accused of leaving Bobby in a car with the windows rolled up on a hot day for nearly 30 minutes.

https://abc7chicago.com/highland-park-i ... e=facebook

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So this fucker shot an 8yr old. The child survived but his spinal cord was severed and he’ll be paralyzed the rest of his life.


Nothing we can do. Best to ignore it.

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