When you buy a ticket for the seat next to me and come on the flight dressed like a fucking savage, I can't avoid it. That's the point.

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No. The point is about how you are shifting responsibility. You are willing to avoid smokers, going so far as to making it much easier for them to smoke next to you by lifting the ban on smoking, but you aren't willing to avoid the issue of reclining seats in any way whatsoever.

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I understand that it isn't a perfect example to your irrational stance on shorts, but it runs against your thoughts on reclining of seats.

However, in regards to your thoughts on the dress code, I will view myself as the smoker in this situation. My comfort in being able to wear shorts is more important than your comfort in being able to not be next to me in shorts. Isn't that basically your rationale for being against the smoking ban?

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I have a choice to avoid smokers. I have no choice in avoiding you reclining in your sweatpants and flip flops.

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This thread has really increased my enthusiasm for euthanasia.

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This is all about your comfort. The fact that you feel you should be allowed to dress like you're in your bedroom has led you to the next conclusion, that you should be allowed to put your head in my lap. It's all part and parcel of the same "Hooray for me! The hell with you!" culture. Like Favre Fan said, if you don't like it, FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!

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False. Not only are there seats where the person in front of you can't recline on basically every airplane, but they now have economy comfort seats that render the whole issue completely meaningless as there is easily enough legroom for the person in front of you to recline and for you to be just as comfortable.

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So why are you against the smoking ban in restaurants? It sounds like a pretty good countermeasure to the "Hooray for me! The hell with you!" culture.

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As usual I am in lockstep with JORR on this one.

Dont get me started on seatbelts...

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So I am assuming you don't think they should be required, what about for children?

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I certainly think that carseats for young children are a good idea. I wear my seatbelt and I make my kids wear theirs. I dont think it's something that police should be enforcing though.

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I don't think they should be able to pull you over for it, if they pull you over for another violation and you are not buckled then give me the $10 ticket. I and my son wear our seatbelts also.

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For adults, they should be able to do what they want. But I agree with handing out tickets if parents don't buckle their children in. Kids are not capable of making the "no seatbelt" decision on their own.

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Fair enough. I would support that.

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that's the way it used to be (not sure about the 10, ive never gotten one but always assumed it was a 50$ ticket)
now they can pull you over for just that

when i was watching Cops one time an officer flat out said they pull people over for minor things with the intention of searching for drugs/DUIs/etc (and in that scene he pulled someone over for a missing license plate light- that has to be the best one)

i mean its obviously the case, was just surprised to hear a cop flat out admit it on something that was going to be televised

I don't want to live in a country where I face a very minor fine for not doing something that is proven to give me a much better shot at surviving one of the leading causes of death in the country and the only downside is having to take the time to click a button when I want to get out. This country makes me sick.

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It isnt that simple but I wouldnt expect you to think of anything but the pure black and white of any situation. Keep on Bricking.

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Pretty much the kind of thinking that should apply nearly across the board, with the added caveat of so long as you don't infringe on or endanger someone else, doowutchyalike. How we got away from that as a nation is depressing.

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This seems to be a common theme now. "It's not black and white" is a pretty bad answer.

Tell me what the downside is to wearing a seatbelt.

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I dont think there is a downside. I wear mine every day. I dont think the government needs to be involved beyond the limits of making car companies install them in vehicles. You do things that are unsafe for you everyday. If they dont affect others around you then why should you be stopped and harrassed about it. It's the babysitting aspect of our society. We are adults, give us the info and let us make the choice.

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I used to agree with DB and Hanks sentiment


The problem is when you hear a story of a car going out of control because the guy was thrown from the car (if wearing seatbelt would have stayed in seat and could have avoided further damage)


This is especially important for big trucks

A car is a special case though. Cars are now designed with the assumption that passengers will be wearing them. The danger to other cars from not wearing one may be small but it isn't zero either.

I'll use crosswalks as another example. Crosswalks, by all accounts, are a good thing to have that makes it safer. However, it restricts the "choice" of someone to run across 6 lanes of traffic. It is because there can be unintended consequences to this choice and the downside isn't worth giving up on the upside. Now, people do have the option of disobeying it, but they risk a relatively minor fine. It's not like we are putting seat belt violators in jail. They get a $25 ticket in Illinois.

The laws are also written in a way that puts liability in an accident on other drivers in the event of their negligence. Now, if we added in something that said that other drivers are never liable for any injury caused to a person who isn't wearing a seatbelt we may be getting closer to the point where the "decision" doesn't effect others.

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What? Someone gets thrown from a moving vehicle while it is still traveling at a high enough rate of speed with which to cause considerable damage? I'd like to read some of those stories.

Seems to me like it takes a major collision to cause you to be thrown from your vehicle and the momentum of your car is significantly slowed...A collision that would be extreme enough that even if you were strapped in you probably arent doing much defensive driving afterwards anyway.

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For those that don't wear them, how in the hell can you listen to that dinging that goes on until you put the belt on?

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You should look into it. Ever see a truck out of control on a highway?

You dont have to be thrown outside the car. Poor wording on my part.

But if youre jolted out of driving position you might cause others more damage that you could have avoided if you were in your seat belt and could steer off

If you're saying there arent that many crashes that are hard enough to jolt someone out of a seat then Ill just say I disagree

I'm not good with the multiple quotes so lets take this in parts...

How is my car and my driving affected by you wearing a seatbelt? It isnt at all.



Crosswalks are not a good comparison at all. If I ran through the middle of the street, I am endangering other drivers. Crossing at a designated crosswalk is following the rules of the road. I'm not advocating driving on sidewalks or thru people's front yards.




The liability is on you because you caused the accident. Whether I am wearing a seatbelt doesnt matter. You caused an accident and you should be liable for the damage you caused.

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There are accidents that wouldn't have even happened with a seatbelt. I'm sure we've all been in a highway situation where we had to slam on the brakes and the seatbelt locked and kept us from going forward. Without a seat belt you would have been in the steering wheel which makes it harder to drive. The same can be said when your car is sideswiped and the momentum is going to push you in either direction.

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Be poor and don't own a car new enough to have that bullshit.

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