I'm down in GA now, its not just UGA, anyone maintaining a 3.0+ gets essentially free tuition. I'm 10 years from having kids at that age, but it appears it favors the wealthy. Mainly because of the opportunity afforded in the nicer school districts, graduating from a top high school you'd have a better opportunity to be accepted into the school. I'm sure their are quotas, but there are MANY well off families in our neighborhood paying very little for a quality college. I'm sure the same can't be said for poorer areas.

Nas is too good at this game. He's like a Robert Ludlum novel. You never know which twist is coming next.

ITT is gone. And the rest are on the way. Germany offers tuition free college. So that will be a great experiment. The problem is that labor is cheap mostly due to technology. Those that own the means of production are more powerful than ever.

I don't think that more college or training is going to fix the problem of wages or economic opportunity. Many people have gotten rich off of the idea that it could though.

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The problem with both of our views is they, by necessity, are too generalized to be anything remotely curative to the 'problem', which itself isn't terribly well defined, which is its own problem that is the genesis for the overly-simplistic view of "free college for all". Maybe all of that is b/c a HS diploma is devalued not only b/c it's presumed a person will have one for even the lowliest of jobs and the perception - right or wrong - that getting through HS is more a perfunctory marking of time rather than anything that resembles any sort of 'achievement', and of course there are myriad reasons why that is true.

Like John Fox says, "it's all a problem".

Giant Meteor 2016.

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The FBI agreed to not prosecute her because the Director didn't want to prosecute a presidential candidate. Anyone else would be in jail. If you look at her statements she lied about what she did even just contrasting the statements she gave more recently and initially. The federal government doesn't let regular people claim ignorance of the law on handling classified documents.

I think Bill and Hillary's history of crookedness regarding Bill's infidelity is well documented.

ISIS is worse than Bin Laden's group and the troops that were withdrawn from Iraq led to its formation. And honestly it's a lot worse because you have no idea who and when some crazy ISIS people are going to show up and start shooting. Not only that but she thinks the Iran deal is something to celebrate. Look they just gave the no. 1 terrorist fundraising country a boatload of money and let them have a nuclear weapon.

There is no way Hillary Clinton would make a good president. She's a despicable person with a continual lust for power and anybody who loves abortion as much as she does doesn't possess a soul. She is also collecting money from foreign entities to buy the White House. It's the same old thing where politicians get paid to be crooks.

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ALL LIES!

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GO BEARS!!!

It's funny, amidst all of this bloviating, MANY seem to forget that until relatively recently, many state colleges like the Wisconsin & California systems were free and their degrees/graduates were relatively well respected. Reagan and the U of C economists/social engineers largely ended those policies.

Besides, to hear assholes reporting on new hiring/recruiting tell it, a college degree is almost worthless now in favor of largely ridiculous "master's" degrees anyway, so this line may be pointless anyway.

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Amidst this Glenn Beck-ian diatribe, this is where I had to laugh out loud, thanks.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

I will have to come to HRC defense on the abortion thing. She never voted for partial birth or late term abortion unlike the guy at 1600 Penn did.

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This is due to the "education inflation". And will get worse as Brick posted should things move more in that direction.

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The difference as I posted in other threads is college able students are identified early. If you are not on college track by 16 you are not going. You are going to a different vocational track of education. Become a technician for instance which there is a highly paid, highly respected position. Once on that lower track you later may still get into college but in a harder way to prove yourself and a lower rated school. In the end the system works because it is accepted and respected. No mommy and daddy or others saying Wolfgang or Joerg got a raw deal and should have made it into "University" if they didn't make the grade.

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But no one wants to acknowledge in this thread that it was started by Reagan & his alchemists from Chicago that helped grease the skids between three & five decades ago. The long con in action, now repackaged to breathlessly drill any family making less than $250K a year. No other civilized, sane country is even considering these kinds of arguments, they've seen the results.

As noted above, even the Germans' plan makes sense, but isn't even an option even discussed by one side here

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

German plan would fix a lot.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Poor Shakes

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the odd thing is publicly funded colleges are (i) publicly funded and (ii) still charge an assload for tuition and fees---the latter is a means of increasing revenue to academia beyond what they would likely be able to capture if public colleges/universities were funded entirely as line-items in a state budget. Feds could just as easily shovel a pile of cash into each state's coffer based on college student headcount; and then each state disburse that out to the public colleges in that state. no need to have an elaborate stafford loan ponzi scheme with the attendant transaction costs, overhead and bureaucracy.

most state colleges have all manner of quotas in place--we want X number of students from Putnam County, X number from Peoria, yadda--that who gets in wouldn't change under a 100% state funded model--but who attends might--as attendance would no longer be dependent on the student's willingness to take on a bunch of herpes-debt.

Dunno if it was true, and I didn't hear this from SuperHans so who knows, but supposedly Ike's Farewell Address money-shot was originally military-industrial-academic complex.

We know you dislike Reagan and I am too young to know when this started. But we should acknowledge now after 30-40 years MANY people have perpetuated this crappy situation.

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Great, now PittMike's doing it and he doesn't even know why it's done.
Heck, I don't know why it's done. Place needs like a glossary or FAQ or at least a tidy set of Fight Club style rules.

its really weird how fast the machine takeover will happen. we are already seeing it, and 20 years from now it will be exponentially worse. the biggest markets for human jobs will be in designing, programming and maintaining the machines. most other services will be minimized. not just transportation or fast food service either... it wont be long before most retail jobs are gone because you will literally be able to walk in a store, grab what you want, and walk out. machines will know what you took and charge your credit card accordingly... no waiting in a line or anything. bankers... most of their jobs are gone once bitcoin or some other form of block-chain currency takes hold. the moment you can borrow against a type of bitcoin you can kiss the financial sector goodbye.... need a loan? just ask the machine, it will determine if you get one by an algorithm... and if you qualify the money automatically shows in your account. the only people needed are the ones who fine tune the algorithm from time to time... but for the most part the qualifications would auto adjust based on the economy. and food service, sure, you will always be able to go to a resturaunt where people serve you... where cooks cook for you.. but most wont, because machines do it better and cheaper anyway. at least hooters has nothing to worry about...

so much of what we know as economy right now will be changing... rapidly. fast enough that i do think we will be forced to take a hard look at what we believe a minimum effort qualifies as satisfactory to live a life. right now, thats 8 hours a day... actually, its more than that, because min wage doesn't let anyone live on their own without help... but you think that is bad, its going to get a lot worse... so do we start sharing with eachother now or do we fight eachother as we enable machines to take the remaining jobs we have left? dont get me wrong, there will always be human jobs... but there isnt enough to go around right now and we have more cheap materialistic crap in our lives everyday...

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the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.

READS JUST FINE

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easy now, wouldn't wanna end up JBills next sig.


assuming these are references to our Former Benevolent Dictator BigFan and his posting style....but after 4 months? you don't see BigFan posting digs at this board on his Message Board of Solitude. I mean, yeah, no one sees anything BigFan posts on that board cuz no one reads it. But I feel like if you went over to BigFan's board and spent days reading it, you'd prolly have no idea what he's talking about and just go back to posting here.

Don't forget the international students. State colleges love those because some oil sheikh will pay full price to send his fuckup son to the University of Minnesota or what have you.

There was a filter that auto-capitalized MANY for a while but I think it's gone now. Many? many ?

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I think they've evolved to become standalone memes.

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under some rawlsian tuition scheme, they should require the sons of sheiks and other billionaire/multi-millionaire/etc folks to pay whatever percentage of the sheik's wealth/income yer everday average non-sheik pays (same for parking tickets and other rule-enforcement-as-revenue-enhancement fines.
). or at least more than the default out of state rate. some colleges luck out and get Fredo Sheik applying and the sheik builds them a new dorm to buy the kid's way in.

Our post high school education system destroys every other country though and it really isn't close. I guess we can follow the lead of other countries and make it worse.

Not everything is better in Europe.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I was speaking solely to the process of either getting in university or a different route that one might be best suited for.

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s'pose that's so. But if you're disinterested in the thoughts and activities of a circumferent ginger SJW, or you're not up for running the same 3 Clinton-Trump laps over and over...a random BigFan thread about whatever-the-fuck BigFan thought it was about could be refreshing.


you ever accidentally slice into your beard while shaving, then try to even it up / make it match on the other side and end up making things worse until you just say fuck it and clean-shave? Did that shit, now I have Jayson Werth hair with Garth Brook's visage. But I wanna go out to the bar to watch Mets-Giants.


1. get a haircut, so the face and mane aren't suck a jarring juxtaposition. but i'm not supposed to cut it til I go back to Texas for the Blackhawks game the first weekend of November.

2. wear some sort of Balaclava type face covering. look at people like they're crazy if they say anything about it.

3. it's Halloween, and Jayson Werth hair with garth brooks face = halloween costume.

4. wait 12 more hours for enough stubble to grow back in. I could stay here and post then! Yay!

Don't be a puss,be a man. Just go out if you want. A real man does not care if he looks a little off. or just wear a hat or don't or shave it bald. Or be a little girl and put ribbons in it and watch Twilight

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"