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Spaulding you went to far as to make the bogus claim that the Catholic Church isn't teaching people to hate homosexuals.

https://religionandpolitics.org/2019/07 ... push-back/

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In June, the Vatican released “Male and Female He Created Them: Towards a Path of Dialogue on the Question of Gender Theory in Education,” its first extensive statement on transgender identity. While including a call for love and respect, the document rejects the idea that gender is distinct from biological sex. A transgender identity, the document asserts, seeks to “annihilate the concept of nature.”


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The Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, the office responsible for safeguarding and promoting church law, once published a treatise that labeled homosexuality “intrinsically disordered” and a “moral evil.” Pope Francis, speaking to bishops in Poland in 2016, expressed shock that “today children – children! – are taught in school that everyone can choose his or her sex. Why are they teaching this?” He called such “terrible” lessons an “ideological colonization.”

Even when confronted with actual "facts" you still made arguments to the contrary.


None of that is hateful and none of that demands that someone hate or be disrespectful to another group.


Science regarded homosexuality as disordered until 1977.

That wasn't covered in some folks cumalitive exams apparently.

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So you agree with Spaulding’s implication that homosexuality and fornication are essentially equal sins to rape, incest and bestiality in Gods eyes? Interesting.


I didn't imply anything as better, worse, or equal. I listed other forms of sexual immorality according to the Catholic Church. Some of which we as a society have made distinctions for. You have no idea what I think of it or acts of it.


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Spaulding wrote:
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Spaulding you went to far as to make the bogus claim that the Catholic Church isn't teaching people to hate homosexuals.

https://religionandpolitics.org/2019/07 ... push-back/

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In June, the Vatican released “Male and Female He Created Them: Towards a Path of Dialogue on the Question of Gender Theory in Education,” its first extensive statement on transgender identity. While including a call for love and respect, the document rejects the idea that gender is distinct from biological sex. A transgender identity, the document asserts, seeks to “annihilate the concept of nature.”


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The Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, the office responsible for safeguarding and promoting church law, once published a treatise that labeled homosexuality “intrinsically disordered” and a “moral evil.” Pope Francis, speaking to bishops in Poland in 2016, expressed shock that “today children – children! – are taught in school that everyone can choose his or her sex. Why are they teaching this?” He called such “terrible” lessons an “ideological colonization.”

Even when confronted with actual "facts" you still made arguments to the contrary.


None of that is hateful and none of that demands that someone hate or be disrespectful to another group.


Science regarded homosexuality as disordered until 1977.

That wasn't covered in some folks cumalitive exams apparently.


No "we" had "more important" issues to concern ourselves with than the sex life of homosexual men thank you very much. Not really "relevant" when it came to obtaining a degree in history.. And "we" definitely" didn't attempt to use an entity as biased as religion in order to promote personal bigotry either. That is the weakest play in all of this actually

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So you agree with Spaulding’s implication that homosexuality and fornication are essentially equal sins to rape, incest and bestiality in Gods eyes? Interesting.


I didn't imply anything as better, worse, or equal. I listed other forms of sexual immorality according to the Catholic Church. Some of which we as a society have made distinctions for. You have no idea what I think of it or acts of it.

I didn’t say you felt that way, but you certainly implied that the church did.

no more or less likely to go to hell than people that practice what the church considers other forms of sexual immorality, such as adultery, fornication, rape, bestiality/incest, pornography etc.

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The Catholic Church isn't preaching hatred of gays.
...as long as they don't act gay and then they are going to hell.


Do you have an answer as to how people "act gay" Brick?

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I didn’t say you felt that way, but you certainly implied that the church did.

no more or less likely to go to hell than people that practice what the church considers other forms of sexual immorality, such as adultery, fornication, rape, bestiality/incest, pornography etc.


Certainly not. I listed moral evils too. I did not equate them, nor does the church.


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I wonder if some of the loudest people in this thread have a gay, lesbian, or bisexual child. That may explain why they've decided to blame a book, politicians, and teachers for what their child is.

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I wonder if some of the loudest people in this thread have a gay, lesbian, or bisexual child. That may explain why they've decided to blame a book, politicians, and teachers for what their child is.

I think it says something that you believe there is a need to blame and even more so for the phrase “what their child is”.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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I wonder if some of the loudest people in this thread have a gay, lesbian, or bisexual child. That may explain why they've decided to blame a book, politicians, and teachers for what their child is.

I think it says something that you believe there is a need to blame and even more so for the phrase “what their child is”.


Well, you can't blame nature or yourself. It HAS to be someone else's fault. That's how these things work, right?

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So you agree with Spaulding’s implication that homosexuality and fornication are essentially equal sins to rape, incest and bestiality in Gods eyes? Interesting.


I didn't imply anything as better, worse, or equal. I listed other forms of sexual immorality according to the Catholic Church. Some of which we as a society have made distinctions for. You have no idea what I think of it or acts of it.

That's the point though. They don't make a distinction between it and some of the other things you have mentioned.

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Spaulding wrote:
The Catholic Church isn't preaching hatred of gays.
...as long as they don't act gay and then they are going to hell.


Do you have an answer as to how people "act gay" Brick?

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In a surprising development, the Vatican said today that priests cannot bless gay unions, because God cannot bless sin.

Never thought I would see this under Francis. I guess he got a conscience after his recent illnesses.

https://apnews.com/article/vatican-decr ... 28e4cf7443


This was of no surprise to anyone who knows Pope Francis, and understands Catholic teaching on the subject.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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I wonder if some of the loudest people in this thread have a gay, lesbian, or bisexual child. That may explain why they've decided to blame a book, politicians, and teachers for what their child is.

I think it says something that you believe there is a need to blame and even more so for the phrase “what their child is”.



We also shouldn't be conflating homosexuality with "trans." Obviously, homosexuals have allowed or encouraged such for political purposes but as Spaulding mentioned somewhere such a coalition will ultimately prove to be untenable.

Homosexuality is simply an outlier. An abnormality. Before anyone takes issue with that characterization, let me say it has to be an abnormality in a species that reproduces via male/female sexual congress. It's not a judgment.

"Trans", on the other hand, is clearly a disorder. A disorder we refuse to acknowledge for political purposes. It's no different than anorexia or body integrity dysphoria. It's a sickness and we are doing those afflicted no favors by pretending it is not.

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Brick wrote:
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Spaulding wrote:
The Catholic Church isn't preaching hatred of gays.
...as long as they don't act gay and then they are going to hell.


Do you have an answer as to how people "act gay" Brick?

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In a surprising development, the Vatican said today that priests cannot bless gay unions, because God cannot bless sin.

Never thought I would see this under Francis. I guess he got a conscience after his recent illnesses.

https://apnews.com/article/vatican-decr ... 28e4cf7443


This was of no surprise to anyone who knows Pope Francis, and understands Catholic teaching on the subject.



So trying to get married is now gay.

Interesting.

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So trying to get married is now gay.

Interesting.
If you are trying to marry someone of your own gender it is.

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So trying to get married is now gay.

Interesting.
If you are trying to marry someone of your own gender it is.


So by your definition, gay people who don't want to be married are not gay.

I wish I had more time, this would be fun.

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So trying to get married is now gay.

Interesting.
If you are trying to marry someone of your own gender it is.



Gay marriage isn't something I care about one way or the other. But I don't think it's "hateful" to ask what the purpose of marriage is, why we even have such an institution, and how said institution fits into society.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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So trying to get married is now gay.

Interesting.
If you are trying to marry someone of your own gender it is.



Gay marriage isn't something I care about one way or the other. But I don't think it's "hateful" to ask what the purpose of marriage is, why we even have such an institution, and how said institution fits into society.


What's the purpose of sex?

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Seacrest wrote:
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So trying to get married is now gay.

Interesting.
If you are trying to marry someone of your own gender it is.



Gay marriage isn't something I care about one way or the other. But I don't think it's "hateful" to ask what the purpose of marriage is, why we even have such an institution, and how said institution fits into society.


What's the purpose of sex?


You and I are probably going to part ways here, oh Great Progenitor. :lol:

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So trying to get married is now gay.

Interesting.
If you are trying to marry someone of your own gender it is.


So by your definition, gay people who don't want to be married are not gay.

I wish I had more time, this would be fun.

You seem to be confused. I gave an example of how someone "acts gay" and that was getting married to someone of your own gender.

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When men engage in anal sex with one another, I'm pretty sure that's acting gay.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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So trying to get married is now gay.

Interesting.
If you are trying to marry someone of your own gender it is.



Gay marriage isn't something I care about one way or the other. But I don't think it's "hateful" to ask what the purpose of marriage is, why we even have such an institution, and how said institution fits into society.


What's the purpose of sex?


You and I are probably going to part ways here, oh Great Progenitor. :lol:


Let's see...

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Seacrest wrote:
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Seacrest wrote:
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So trying to get married is now gay.

Interesting.
If you are trying to marry someone of your own gender it is.



Gay marriage isn't something I care about one way or the other. But I don't think it's "hateful" to ask what the purpose of marriage is, why we even have such an institution, and how said institution fits into society.


What's the purpose of sex?


You and I are probably going to part ways here, oh Great Progenitor. :lol:


Let's see...


I certainly don't think sex is simply for procreation. But I do think the main purpose of marriage (Not all marriages. I'm on my second one and we don't have kids) is to form a basis for stable families and a certain type of society overall.

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That's the point though. They don't make a distinction between it and some of the other things you have mentioned.


No the point is we are all sinners and our salvation and eternal life is thru the belief in Jesus as our Savior. Gay people are no more or less evil than I am or anyone else and we are all equal when we stand before God. While some sins are worse than others God doesn't have a scoresheet he works off of that determines whether or not somebody gets into heaven. It's open to all of us regardless of what we have done.


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When men engage in anal sex with one another, I'm pretty sure that's acting gay.


When a hetero married couple does it are they acting gay?


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That's the point though. They don't make a distinction between it and some of the other things you have mentioned.


No the point is we are all sinners and our salvation and eternal life is thru the belief in Jesus as our Savior. Gay people are no more or less evil than I am or anyone else and we are all equal when we stand before God. While some sins are worse than others God doesn't have a scoresheet he works off of that determines whether or not somebody gets into heaven. It's open to all of us regardless of what we have done.

Yes and if you are gay you don't get in if you act on that.

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I wonder if some of the loudest people in this thread have a gay, lesbian, or bisexual child. That may explain why they've decided to blame a book, politicians, and teachers for what their child is.

I think it says something that you believe there is a need to blame and even more so for the phrase “what their child is”.



We also shouldn't be conflating homosexuality with "trans." Obviously, homosexuals have allowed or encouraged such for political purposes but as Spaulding mentioned somewhere such a coalition will ultimately prove to be untenable.

Homosexuality is simply an outlier. An abnormality. Before anyone takes issue with that characterization, let me say it has to be an abnormality in a species that reproduces via male/female sexual congress. It's not a judgment.

"Trans", on the other hand, is clearly a disorder. A disorder we refuse to acknowledge for political purposes. It's no different than anorexia or body integrity dysphoria. It's a sickness and we are doing those afflicted no favors by pretending it is not.


Isn’t transsexuality abnormal as well? Let's not forget homosexuality was in the DSM in your lifetime.

All but the most deplorable of us generally need a justification for our phobias.

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When men engage in anal sex with one another, I'm pretty sure that's acting gay.


When a hetero married couple does it are they acting gay?


Please reread the post you quote above.

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Nas wrote:
I wonder if some of the loudest people in this thread have a gay, lesbian, or bisexual child. That may explain why they've decided to blame a book, politicians, and teachers for what their child is.

I think it says something that you believe there is a need to blame and even more so for the phrase “what their child is”.



We also shouldn't be conflating homosexuality with "trans." Obviously, homosexuals have allowed or encouraged such for political purposes but as Spaulding mentioned somewhere such a coalition will ultimately prove to be untenable.

Homosexuality is simply an outlier. An abnormality. Before anyone takes issue with that characterization, let me say it has to be an abnormality in a species that reproduces via male/female sexual congress. It's not a judgment.

"Trans", on the other hand, is clearly a disorder. A disorder we refuse to acknowledge for political purposes. It's no different than anorexia or body integrity dysphoria. It's a sickness and we are doing those afflicted no favors by pretending it is not.


Isn’t transsexuality abnormal as well? Let's not forget homosexuality was in the DSM in your lifetime.

All but the most deplorable of us generally need a justification for our phobias.


A homosexual doesn't imagine he's anything other than what he is.

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Nope. That's not how it works. You don't even understand that which you hold in contempt.

Then explain it. If you get married to a person of the same gender you are destined to go to hell. Correct?

How do you avoid hell?

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