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The real difference between Obama's ban and Trump's comes down to perceptions that Obama is "a good man" and Trump is "evil". And even if both things are true, the bans should be covered based on the facts.


Breathe! Obama's ban was based on actionable intelligence about an attack. He didn't pick countries out of a fucking hat or target a religion. This really isn't that hard.


Of course you're going to have justifications for the actions of the guy you like. Just like the Trump supporter has justifications for the actions of Trump. But that really misses the point entirely and that is that Obama imposed a similar travel ban and moratorium on refugees and nobody even knew it happened.


Aren't you the same guy who complained that people were comparing Pence email usage to that of Hillary's. This is worse than that but it won't stop you because of your Trump love.


Of course those things aren't the same. Pence didn't destroy subpoenaed e-mails.

But you keep missing the point and I have to believe it's purposeful. The media covered both of those events. In fact, some of the media tried to act as if they are equal which may be where you get your crazy opinion.


https://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/07/13/w ... ghdad.html


I believe that an interpreter was assassinated during the time Obama shut down the refugee program in 2011.

But look, you're so caught up in your own bias and partisanship you're unable to see that my comments on the subject aren't pro-Trump, but rather a simple commentary on the differences in the way the two men are covered. Just look at the language. Trump's order is a "ban". Obama's was a "pause".

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First it wasn't covered and now it wasn't covered the same way. You're so blinded by your Trump love that you're unaware that you're defending everything he does. The president called it a ban so naturally everyone else will call it a ban. Kellyanne Conway and Ben Carson would be proud of your MANY Trump defenses and attempts at rewriting history.

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"Ban" is Trumps own description of it...it was not spin to show him in some particular light.

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Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani told Fox in an interview on Saturday that he helped draft President Donald Trump's "extreme vetting" executive order after Trump called him and asked how to do a "Muslim ban" "legally."

"When he first announced it, he said 'Muslim ban,'" Giuliani, who served as the vice chairman of Trump's transition team, told Fox. "He called me up. He said 'put a commission together. Show me the right way to do it legally.'"

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"Ban" is Trumps own description of it...it was not spin to show him in some particular light.

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Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani told Fox in an interview on Saturday that he helped draft President Donald Trump's "extreme vetting" executive order after Trump called him and asked how to do a "Muslim ban" "legally."

"When he first announced it, he said 'Muslim ban,'" Giuliani, who served as the vice chairman of Trump's transition team, told Fox. "He called me up. He said 'put a commission together. Show me the right way to do it legally.'"


Then he tweeted that it was a ban on the day he signed it. Everyone is being unfair to him by using his words.

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So the media's hand was forced on using "ban", otherwise I'm sure you guys are positive they would have used the exact same verbiage to describe Trump's order as they did Obama's, right? :lol:

Just like how Obama's inauguration crowd made DC "pulse", and Trump's crowd "clogged" the streets?


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Trump's crowd "clogged" nothing.

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So the media's hand was forced on using "ban", otherwise I'm sure you guys are positive they would have used the exact same verbiage to describe Trump's order as they did Obama's, right? :lol:

Just like how Obama's inauguration crowd made DC "pulse", and Trump's crowd "clogged" the streets?


Unfair media! I'm just glad that we all can agree that this president is American.

Can we believe the Trump administration?

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Trump's crowd "clogged" nothing.


It was empty.

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Trump's crowd "clogged" nothing.


Well, maybe their arteries. Or hotel toilets.


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Can we believe the Trump administration?


Never.

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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The German military was still strong enough to stop Hitler. They declined.


Not sure what this has to do with Trump. Technically, Germany was not supposed to have much of a military. So if the German generals stood up to Hitler in 1933 and installed their own Fuhrer it likely would have thrown the country into a civil war or caused France to reoccupy a section of Germany. Hitler had his own private army, the SA and he compromised with the army by taking out the SA's top leadership. After that Hitler was skilled at dividing the generals and forcing those who opposed him into retirement. So he showed more political skill than Trump.




You keep missing the point which is that when you get past everything Hitler still had a large number of people that supported him. He didn't ascend to power via a coup de tat. Trump has a large number of people supporting him also. He isn't a default choice and it is disingenuous to keep suggesting that the American people don't want this assclown. He wasn't forced upon anyone. They voted for this jerk and it isn't really surprising that his disapproval ratings really haven't decline since he became President. Few points here or there. This is what this country wanted. Now we got it and it is time to buckle up

So you're saying that Trump is just like hitler because a large number of people support him.

Quite reasonable.

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Trump's crowd "clogged" nothing.


It was empty.


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A smaller crowd "clogs" the capital, while a larger one is "pulsing with history".


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Assange working with Tech companies to plug security gaps: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... /98946128/


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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The German military was still strong enough to stop Hitler. They declined.


Not sure what this has to do with Trump. Technically, Germany was not supposed to have much of a military. So if the German generals stood up to Hitler in 1933 and installed their own Fuhrer it likely would have thrown the country into a civil war or caused France to reoccupy a section of Germany. Hitler had his own private army, the SA and he compromised with the army by taking out the SA's top leadership. After that Hitler was skilled at dividing the generals and forcing those who opposed him into retirement. So he showed more political skill than Trump.




You keep missing the point which is that when you get past everything Hitler still had a large number of people that supported him. He didn't ascend to power via a coup de tat. Trump has a large number of people supporting him also. He isn't a default choice and it is disingenuous to keep suggesting that the American people don't want this assclown. He wasn't forced upon anyone. They voted for this jerk and it isn't really surprising that his disapproval ratings really haven't decline since he became President. Few points here or there. This is what this country wanted. Now we got it and it is time to buckle up

So you're saying that Trump is just like hitler because a large number of people support him.

Quite reasonable.

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Assange working with Tech companies to plug security gaps: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... /98946128/


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Lock up Assange with Snowden?


For sexual assault?

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Assange working with Tech companies to plug security gaps: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... /98946128/


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Lock up Assange with Snowden?


For sexual assault?


US wants Assange for espionage.

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So hey 8000/800000 documents released-- have we found out if they're rounding up the Jews yet? Kids need to sleep at night!

(Also lol they wanted to have a memetic warfare Dept! HA! memes!)

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The German military was still strong enough to stop Hitler. They declined.


Not sure what this has to do with Trump. Technically, Germany was not supposed to have much of a military. So if the German generals stood up to Hitler in 1933 and installed their own Fuhrer it likely would have thrown the country into a civil war or caused France to reoccupy a section of Germany. Hitler had his own private army, the SA and he compromised with the army by taking out the SA's top leadership. After that Hitler was skilled at dividing the generals and forcing those who opposed him into retirement. So he showed more political skill than Trump.




You keep missing the point which is that when you get past everything Hitler still had a large number of people that supported him. He didn't ascend to power via a coup de tat. Trump has a large number of people supporting him also. He isn't a default choice and it is disingenuous to keep suggesting that the American people don't want this assclown. He wasn't forced upon anyone. They voted for this jerk and it isn't really surprising that his disapproval ratings really haven't decline since he became President. Few points here or there. This is what this country wanted. Now we got it and it is time to buckle up

So you're saying that Trump is just like hitler because a large number of people support him.

Quite reasonable.



No one seems to want to acknowledge that they support him, alas Hitler. To hear people on here tell it the only reason the albatross that is Trump was elected is because he had the good fortune of running against Hillary. No one supports him yet everyone supports him. Hyperbole being used in both instances but the fact of the matter is that the goof could have been stopped by simply not voting for him. Take Hillary out of the equation and he still easily dispatched with the rest of the field.


Its time to really address the Hitler stuff too. If Trump had the ability to be a damn totalitarian there is no doubt that he would. The fact that America has systems in place to prevent it doesn't negate who he happens to be. The asshole implemented the soon to be illegal Muslim ban as soon as he took office. He also scolded the media about the coverage of him. He has attempted to neuter the intelligence communities on numerous occasions. He has ran the Presidency as an autocrat from the moment he took office. Hitler was more than the Holocaust. He had a governing style too and it was no different than any other run of the mill dictator.

Trump has sought to undermine every established institution in this country. That is standard totalitarian practice. Play with it if you like.

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No one seems to want to acknowledge that they support him, alas Hitler. To hear people on here tell it the only reason the albatross that is Trump was elected is because he had the good fortune of running against Hillary. No one supports him yet everyone supports him. Hyperbole being used in both instances but the fact of the matter is that the goof could have been stopped by simply not voting for him. Take Hillary out of the equation and he still easily dispatched with the rest of the field.


Its time to really address the Hitler stuff too. If Trump had the ability to be a damn totalitarian there is no doubt that he would. The fact that America has systems in place to prevent it doesn't negate who he happens to be. The asshole implemented the soon to be illegal Muslim ban as soon as he took office. He also scolded the media about the coverage of him. He has attempted to neuter the intelligence communities on numerous occasions. He has ran the Presidency as an autocrat from the moment he took office. Hitler was more than the Holocaust. He had a governing style too and it was no different than any other run of the mill dictator.

Trump has sought to undermine every established institution in this country. That is standard totalitarian practice. Play with it if you like.


Why would this be a bad thing? You said the CIA is out of control.

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No one seems to want to acknowledge that they support him, alas Hitler. To hear people on here tell it the only reason the albatross that is Trump was elected is because he had the good fortune of running against Hillary. No one supports him yet everyone supports him. Hyperbole being used in both instances but the fact of the matter is that the goof could have been stopped by simply not voting for him. Take Hillary out of the equation and he still easily dispatched with the rest of the field.


Its time to really address the Hitler stuff too. If Trump had the ability to be a damn totalitarian there is no doubt that he would. The fact that America has systems in place to prevent it doesn't negate who he happens to be. The asshole implemented the soon to be illegal Muslim ban as soon as he took office. He also scolded the media about the coverage of him. He has attempted to neuter the intelligence communities on numerous occasions. He has ran the Presidency as an autocrat from the moment he took office. Hitler was more than the Holocaust. He had a governing style too and it was no different than any other run of the mill dictator.

Trump has sought to undermine every established institution in this country. That is standard totalitarian practice. Play with it if you like.


Why would this be a bad thing? You said the CIA is out of control.



No they aren't. A properly functioning CIA takes its instructions from the President. Rogue operating Directors are typically whacked. That is what is lost in this. The CIA doesn't operate as a separate entity. They take their marching orders from the President. If he isn't on board then heads roll. That has been the history of how it has operated.

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So hey 8000/800000 documents released-- have we found out if they're rounding up the Jews yet? Kids need to sleep at night!

(Also lol they wanted to have a memetic warfare Dept! HA! memes!)


There has been a significant increase in crimes and vandalism of Jewish property. There are definitely reasons for them to be concerned.

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Assange working with Tech companies to plug security gaps: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... /98946128/


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Lock up Assange with Snowden?


For sexual assault?


US wants Assange for espionage.


I think he's scum but I'm not sure about that charge.

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No one seems to want to acknowledge that they support him, alas Hitler. To hear people on here tell it the only reason the albatross that is Trump was elected is because he had the good fortune of running against Hillary. No one supports him yet everyone supports him. Hyperbole being used in both instances but the fact of the matter is that the goof could have been stopped by simply not voting for him. Take Hillary out of the equation and he still easily dispatched with the rest of the field.


Its time to really address the Hitler stuff too. If Trump had the ability to be a damn totalitarian there is no doubt that he would. The fact that America has systems in place to prevent it doesn't negate who he happens to be. The asshole implemented the soon to be illegal Muslim ban as soon as he took office. He also scolded the media about the coverage of him. He has attempted to neuter the intelligence communities on numerous occasions. He has ran the Presidency as an autocrat from the moment he took office. Hitler was more than the Holocaust. He had a governing style too and it was no different than any other run of the mill dictator.

Trump has sought to undermine every established institution in this country. That is standard totalitarian practice. Play with it if you like.


Why would this be a bad thing? You said the CIA is out of control.



No they aren't. A properly functioning CIA takes its instructions from the President. Rogue operating Directors are typically whacked. That is what is lost in this. The CIA doesn't operate as a separate entity. They take their marching orders from the President. If he isn't on board then heads roll. That has been the history of how it has operated.


:lol:

Haven't read much on the history of the CIA I see.

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No one seems to want to acknowledge that they support him, alas Hitler. To hear people on here tell it the only reason the albatross that is Trump was elected is because he had the good fortune of running against Hillary. No one supports him yet everyone supports him. Hyperbole being used in both instances but the fact of the matter is that the goof could have been stopped by simply not voting for him. Take Hillary out of the equation and he still easily dispatched with the rest of the field.


Its time to really address the Hitler stuff too. If Trump had the ability to be a damn totalitarian there is no doubt that he would. The fact that America has systems in place to prevent it doesn't negate who he happens to be. The asshole implemented the soon to be illegal Muslim ban as soon as he took office. He also scolded the media about the coverage of him. He has attempted to neuter the intelligence communities on numerous occasions. He has ran the Presidency as an autocrat from the moment he took office. Hitler was more than the Holocaust. He had a governing style too and it was no different than any other run of the mill dictator.

Trump has sought to undermine every established institution in this country. That is standard totalitarian practice. Play with it if you like.


Why would this be a bad thing? You said the CIA is out of control.



No they aren't. A properly functioning CIA takes its instructions from the President. Rogue operating Directors are typically whacked. That is what is lost in this. The CIA doesn't operate as a separate entity. They take their marching orders from the President. If he isn't on board then heads roll. That has been the history of how it has operated.


Wouldn't that suggest that if there is intelligence on Trump, Obama ordered it? Are you supporting Trump now, you Trumpet?

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So hey 8000/800000 documents released-- have we found out if they're rounding up the Jews yet? Kids need to sleep at night!

(Also lol they wanted to have a memetic warfare Dept! HA! memes!)


There has been a significant increase in crimes and vandalism of Jewish property. There are definitely reasons for them to be concerned.


Has this been confirmed? Not sure if it has increased or if it's been covered more.

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No one seems to want to acknowledge that they support him, alas Hitler. To hear people on here tell it the only reason the albatross that is Trump was elected is because he had the good fortune of running against Hillary. No one supports him yet everyone supports him. Hyperbole being used in both instances but the fact of the matter is that the goof could have been stopped by simply not voting for him. Take Hillary out of the equation and he still easily dispatched with the rest of the field.


Its time to really address the Hitler stuff too. If Trump had the ability to be a damn totalitarian there is no doubt that he would. The fact that America has systems in place to prevent it doesn't negate who he happens to be. The asshole implemented the soon to be illegal Muslim ban as soon as he took office. He also scolded the media about the coverage of him. He has attempted to neuter the intelligence communities on numerous occasions. He has ran the Presidency as an autocrat from the moment he took office. Hitler was more than the Holocaust. He had a governing style too and it was no different than any other run of the mill dictator.

Trump has sought to undermine every established institution in this country. That is standard totalitarian practice. Play with it if you like.


Why would this be a bad thing? You said the CIA is out of control.



No they aren't. A properly functioning CIA takes its instructions from the President. Rogue operating Directors are typically whacked. That is what is lost in this. The CIA doesn't operate as a separate entity. They take their marching orders from the President. If he isn't on board then heads roll. That has been the history of how it has operated.


:lol:

Haven't read much on the history of the CIA I see.


No apparently you haven't.

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No one seems to want to acknowledge that they support him, alas Hitler. To hear people on here tell it the only reason the albatross that is Trump was elected is because he had the good fortune of running against Hillary. No one supports him yet everyone supports him. Hyperbole being used in both instances but the fact of the matter is that the goof could have been stopped by simply not voting for him. Take Hillary out of the equation and he still easily dispatched with the rest of the field.


Its time to really address the Hitler stuff too. If Trump had the ability to be a damn totalitarian there is no doubt that he would. The fact that America has systems in place to prevent it doesn't negate who he happens to be. The asshole implemented the soon to be illegal Muslim ban as soon as he took office. He also scolded the media about the coverage of him. He has attempted to neuter the intelligence communities on numerous occasions. He has ran the Presidency as an autocrat from the moment he took office. Hitler was more than the Holocaust. He had a governing style too and it was no different than any other run of the mill dictator.

Trump has sought to undermine every established institution in this country. That is standard totalitarian practice. Play with it if you like.


Why would this be a bad thing? You said the CIA is out of control.



No they aren't. A properly functioning CIA takes its instructions from the President. Rogue operating Directors are typically whacked. That is what is lost in this. The CIA doesn't operate as a separate entity. They take their marching orders from the President. If he isn't on board then heads roll. That has been the history of how it has operated.


Wouldn't that suggest that if there is intelligence on Trump, Obama ordered it? Are you supporting Trump now, you Trumpet?



If Obama ordered it then prove it. Obama would be in violation of the law if he did and thus should go to jail. The problem with Trump is that he makes too many baseless accusations and for some odd reason you provide credibility for it. This shouldn't be entertained without proof. Trump's word isn't enough. He is a known liar that lies about everything. If he is telling the truth on this then fine but his track record suggests that this is but another one of his false claims.

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