The numbers are always high but there has been an uptick. The president says that liberal groups are committing these crimes and trying to make him look bad.

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I'm just pointing out that according to what you just said, if there is all of this intelligence on Trump it would have had to have been ordered by Obama.

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Do you think Obama committed a felony? Do you believe that the president has proof? If not do you believe that the president lied?

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But antisemitic crimes are actually at the lowest point they've been (664 in 2015) in the last 10 years (1106 in 1996). It's safer than it's ever been to be Jewish. Isn't that how that works?

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I don't think the president has control of the intelligence community.

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That isn't what I asked you. Feel free to answer my questions.

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If it weren't ordered by Obama then the guy would have been fired. Unfortunately Obama isn't the President but Trump is which means the guy still would have to be fired. There really isn't a such thing as a Rogue CIA Director. They take their marching orders from whomever the President happens to be. The President will express plausible deniability but that doesn't mean he is telling the truth.


The problem again is that it hasn't been proven too be true. Trump's word isn't enough for me maybe it is for you.

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I have no idea about your first question. No to your second.

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I asked you what do you think. I didn't ask you what do you know. Your reluctance to answer a few simple questions once again confirms what all of us know. No need answer.

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I don't have a baseless opinion. Isn't that what you criticize Trump for?

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You have a lot of opinions. Thanks!

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Ike's outgoing speech as President is beware the Military Industrial complex. JFK says he wants to smash the CIA into a thousand pieces and is killed a month later. They did all sorts of covert anti-Castro stuff for decades without the president knowing. There are guys who are at the CIA for decades. You think they wait for orders from the president or reset every 4 years because a new guy is in office? This is only a quick snapshot of what we know. With their endless budgets who knows what they are up to.

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No major operation is ever conducted without the knowledge of the President. The Macro side is conducted under the direction of the president. Micro side isn't. The Covert Castro stuff was conducted by Eisenhower and Kennedy. The CIA wanted Kennedy dead because he sold them out with the Bay of Pigs. The Bay of Pigs perfectly illustrates what I am talking about.

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The Bay of Pigs required military intervention that's why the president was involved. There were major operations being carried out without JFK's knowledge, which is why he said splinter it into a thousand pieces. Your statement no major operation... is simply a article of faith. You have zero way of knowing that.

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Kennedy was aware of the Bay of Pigs operation. Did he know every minute detail? No but he was aware of the plan to overthrow Castro. He sanctioned it. He also knew that the CIA was training Cuban Exiles in one of the Latin American countries too. He wanted the CIA destroyed because of the embarrassment caused by it. He wanted them gone because they failed and he believed that they were useless. It had nothing to do with being ignorant regarding the operation.

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Someone should take a DUMP on this thread.

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yeah this is an old msg to reply to, and i forget if it was you or someone else who played the "HURR DURR THE GOVERNMENT REALLY WANTS TO SPY ON YOUR LAME ASS THROUGH YOUR TV" card, but to <<<that point i wanna point out that even with all this state of the art "Death to privacy" stuff [and this is quite possibly some sort of a controlled leak where maybe the powers that be wanna spook everyone into acting right, akin to stores that have security cameras that arent hooked up to anything] you know, it's not like america stopped having drugs available over the last 5-10yrs as the CIA got all these abilities, and at the very least you figure they'd be able to use all these new toys to figure out who's making bank off of drugs and at least get a nice cut out of it..... let alone worrying what some dipshit in wilmette is up to at 7pm on a tuesday night.

so hey, as long as there's still drugs out there all over the place and my actual neighbors arent getting busted for frivolous shit, i'll be quite alright.... assuming that like, you know, even if you have all of this data you at least need either 1) an insane amount of manpower to parse through it all [esp if you wanna go for real time] or 2) some kind of AI that you bet your sweet ass wouldn't be in these leaks, but would be so "secret" that even decent to proper drug dealers would be safe cuz they're only gonna use that for "the good stuff" which is above all of our paygrades.

honestly, i'd be more worried about this one far-out story i heard about cops having some technology that where they can pull you over and run your ATM/bank cards through a swipe, see how much $$$ is in there, and confiscate whatever they want cuz they might wanna claim it's "drug money" if they pull you over with a quarter of weed or something stupid [yet technically "probable cause", like "i saw [dude] talking to those 3 black guys in hooded sweatshirts on the street corner! [$1250] impound for attempted purchase of marijuana or controlled substances! [and the city keeps that $$$ no matter what, barring a monumental fuck-up in the officer/s writing up the arrest report]

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There were numerous attempts made on Castro's life that JFK and other presidents did not know about until after the fact. This included attempting to poison Castro with a wet suit that was to be delivered by a personal friend of JFK's without either of them knowing. (You can read about it in the book Brothers by David Talbot). I would call the attempted assassination of a foreign leader a major operation. And this is one that we know about. The CIA is supposed to be secretive, so how do you know they've never carried out a major operation without the knowledge of the president? Even the Bay of Pigs, which you said he knew about, JFK said that he was coerced and tricked into approving. In that instance would you say that the president was in charge of the CIA? Or were they pushing their own agenda, and he was along for the ride?

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Kennedy had already given the order to kill Castro so it doesn't matter if he knew the methods to be used. That is what I meant by "plausible deniability". The order to kill Castro came first from Eisenhower then Kennedy. Eisenhower debriefed Kennedy on the Bay of Pigs invasion before he became President so I don't where exactly the trickery occurred. Kennedy hung his director out to dry that is why the CIA hated him. You have to read "Legacy of Ashes" by Tim Weiner. There were at least 8 attempts made on Castro's life by the CIA. The President makes the call on that. This wasn't some Rogue operation done at the behest of the director.


Of course Kennedy is going to say he was tricked but that was his way of trying to save his own ass.

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Castro came to the US in 59. Eisenhower ordered him dead? Seems like the perfect opportunity.

On the Bay of Pigs-Kennedy was the liar? Not the group that tried to call for a full scale invasion of Cuba. This is entirely an article of faith on your behalf. You have zero way to prove that the CIA calls the president before each "major operation" as you put it. Kennedy fired the CIA chief who he felt lied to him about the Bay of Pigs. If the CIA was a benevolent organization that serves "at the pleasure of the president" as you are asserting, then why would the CIA hate him for making changes? In your own post above you seem to assert that the CIA has it's own political agenda. If you grant that, then even you have to admit that it's likely the CIA has done things against the political views of the sitting president.
Presidents come and go. The CIA remains in place.

If the president is so in charge of the CIA why are all of these leaks about Trump and Russia coming out? Where is this information coming from?

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You have no proof that Presidents are unaware. You are making stuff up. The Bay of Pigs operation was initiated by Eisenhower and Carried out By Kennedy. Kennedy fired the chief because someone had to take the fall. What exactly was Kennedy lied to about? The CIA may have misled him about the level of support inside of CUba for such an operation but that doesn't mean that Kennedy was in the dark about the actual operation. He knew all of the key components and that is why he took responsibility for it.


If you think that employees of the President are going off half cocked and conducting operations that potentially may start WWIII then you really don't understand how it works.


The CIA (as I keep stating) hated Kennedy for throwing them under the bus after the invasion. He took measures to limit their power and he blamed them for the failed operation. Kennedy tried to distance himself from it even though he was the person that gave the ok. That is why they were angry. They also blamed him for not providing more air support once the operation began to go sour.

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You were closer to the truth when you said Hitler was elected.

CIA officials were mad because Kennedy did not send in the Navy and Air Force to back the Bay of Pigs. Top CIA guys called him a coward. Do you think the Bay of Pigs was a good plan? Or was it a way to trick the president into sending in American troops to overthrow Castro? They knew that there was no support on the island, and that American military intervention was necessary.

You certainly have a higher burden of proof in this instance because it's preposterous to think than one man can possibly ok all of the major operations of all of the intelligence agencies including an organization as large as the CIA, while also commanding the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guide, dealing with Congress, foreign leaders, business leaders, all of the other federal agencies and other domestic issues.

You also failed to explain where all the leaks about Trump are coming from if the president controls these agencies absolutely, and they serve at his pleasure.

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You are conflating too many issues. The Bay of Pigs operation was an Eisenhower operation that Kennedy inherited. That isn't exactly breaking news either. The invasion itself was ok'd by Kennedy and carried out by the CIA director. Kennedy didn't plan each ad every aspect of it an I never said that he did. My point is that the CIA director did not make the decision to overthrow Castro. Kennedy did. How it got done was planned by the CIA but the MAJOR decision i.e. to overthrow Castro was Kennedy's.

Your assertion is flat wrong. The CIA director provided bad intelligence regarding support for an overthrow. It still doesn't mean that Kennedy was tricked into invading. He cherry picked intelligence that supported the conclusion that Castro could be overthrown

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https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... ry/309496/

It certainly does not seem like the CIA was working for the president in this case. More like he had to fight to reign them in.

And you have yet to offer any explanation of the leaks about Trump.

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Does this sound like a guy that didn't have control over this?

Bay of Pigs invasion: Kennedy’s Cuban catastrophe | History Extra
http://m.historyextra.com/article/bbc-h ... atastrophe

You are woefully misinformed about the Bay of Pigs invasion

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Do you even pay attention to the News?

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You've run out of arguments on this topic, and instead want to talk about Hitler and be passive aggressive. I accept that you are done with this topic, and say happy Friday.

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