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leashyourkids

Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 8:51 pm

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Regular Reader wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

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Dolphin, I simply cannot follow nor appreciate your attempts at logic here.

There are instances of fighting words and other instances of language not being protected and a nearly unassailable position that certain words are the most intemperate and offensive but in an odd attempt at a point of order you seem to want to blindly ignore that.

The point is that dehumanizing words are of equal weight as their intended result is equal

No. To illustrate my point, there are words you'd never use in even the most heated argument with your wife or a parent

Correct. For example, I'd never call someone a lawyer unless I hated them to the core.

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Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 8:53 pm

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Regular Reader wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

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You tell me you're having a bad day and I tell you I am too. I tell you I was late for a meeting and you tell me that you just found out that you have a month to live. To me my bad day isn't equal to yours. If we're both sick but I have a stomach virus and you have cancer then my illness isn't the same as yours. If you call me a pussy and then I call you the p-word it would be ridiculous for me to say that both insults are equal.

But that is not analogous

If I say you are less than human to me because you are black and you say I am less than human to you because I am polish that is analagous.

But a Black man is far less likely to suggest that your heritage makes you less of a human than if the slur was presented by a person of any European descent. At least in American history

It doesn't have to be across racial lines

All of you clearly think there is a heirarchy of slurs. I do not

Each has the exact same purpose

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Hatchetman

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No. To illustrate my point, there are words you'd never use in even the most heated argument with your wife or a parent

Presumably you don't actually HATE your wife or parent. When you actually HATE someone and want to hurt them, you choose the worst possible thing which could be any of the words mentioned above depending on the situation.

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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 8:55 pm

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Good Dolphin is a...!!!

There. This thread is now settled. (I'm half Polish, by the way. I always have to say this when I use the slur.)

Nas will delete this post. But some will have seen it.

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Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

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good dolphin wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Nas wrote:

But that is not analogous

If I say you are less than human to me because you are black and you say I am less than human to you because I am polish that is analagous.

But a Black man is far less likely to suggest that your heritage makes you less of a human than if the slur was presented by a person of any European descent. At least in American history

It doesn't have to be across racial lines

All of you clearly think there is a heirarchy of slurs. I do not

Not a hierarchy, but I do believe there is one that trumps others, because of the many reasons listed previously. But, I'm not calling you irrational, or saying you are wrong for disagreeing.

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Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 8:57 pm

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good dolphin wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Nas wrote:

But that is not analogous

If I say you are less than human to me because you are black and you say I am less than human to you because I am polish that is analagous.

But a Black man is far less likely to suggest that your heritage makes you less of a human than if the slur was presented by a person of any European descent. At least in American history

It doesn't have to be across racial lines

All of you clearly think there is a heirarchy of slurs. I do not

I know you to be an enlightened gentleman and willing advocate. Would you ever argue that position professionally and feel comfortable?

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Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 8:57 pm

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would you agree that every racial slur directed at an African American is essentially the same word

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Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:00 pm

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good dolphin wrote:

would you agree that every racial slur directed at an African American is essentially the same word

I would agree with that you dumb ass cracker!!!!

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good dolphin wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Nas wrote:

But that is not analogous

If I say you are less than human to me because you are black and you say I am less than human to you because I am polish that is analagous.

But a Black man is far less likely to suggest that your heritage makes you less of a human than if the slur was presented by a person of any European descent. At least in American history

It doesn't have to be across racial lines

All of you clearly think there is a heirarchy of slurs. I do not

Each has the exact same purpose

at a bare minimum you are naive. That's the least insulting way I can phrase it.

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good dolphin wrote:

would you agree that every racial slur directed at an African American is essentially the same word

I'm not the most qualified to answer this but I think the answer is clearly no

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Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

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Hatchetman wrote:

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No. To illustrate my point, there are words you'd never use in even the most heated argument with your wife or a parent

But that's exactly the point. There is a hierarchy of slurs, despite Counselor Dolphin 's protestations :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:01 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

would you agree that every racial slur directed at an African American is essentially the same word

I'm not the most qualified to answer this but I think the answer is clearly no

And personally speaking, you are correct

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good dolphin

Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:02 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

would you agree that every racial slur directed at an African American is essentially the same word

I'm not the most qualified to answer this but I think the answer is clearly no

And I disagree

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leashyourkids

Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:03 pm

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Regular Reader wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

would you agree that every racial slur directed at an African American is essentially the same word

I'm not the most qualified to answer this but I think the answer is clearly no

And personally speaking, you are correct

I appreciate FF's restraint, and I agree on behalf of all black people.

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Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:04 pm

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Regular Reader wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

would you agree that every racial slur directed at an African American is essentially the same word

I'm not the most qualified to answer this but I think the answer is clearly no

And personally speaking, you are correct

Then you don't really care about the historical argument as they are all based in the same history

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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:04 pm

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Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

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Regular Reader wrote:

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But that's exactly the point. There is a hierarchy of slurs, despite Counselor Dolphin 's protestations :lol:

That is not my point. I am saying you use the one that causes the most damage for the situation at hand. A hierarchy would hold for all situations. Slurs do not.

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Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:05 pm

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good dolphin wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

would you agree that every racial slur directed at an African American is essentially the same word

I'm not the most qualified to answer this but I think the answer is clearly no

And I disagree

But technically speaking, you are less qualified

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good dolphin wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

would you agree that every racial slur directed at an African American is essentially the same word

I'm not the most qualified to answer this but I think the answer is clearly no

And personally speaking, you are correct

Then you don't really care about the historical argument as they are all based in the same history

Care to clarify the history to which you refer for the less educated?

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leashyourkids

Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:06 pm

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good dolphin wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

would you agree that every racial slur directed at an African American is essentially the same word

I'm not the most qualified to answer this but I think the answer is clearly no

And I disagree

I actually might agree with you on this one... but I don't think that all ethnic slurs are essentially the same. The history of black America is a vile and sickening account of hatred and dehumanizations. Slurs against them are justifiably viewed as worse (in America).

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good dolphin wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

would you agree that every racial slur directed at an African American is essentially the same word

I'm not the most qualified to answer this but I think the answer is clearly no

And personally speaking, you are correct

Then you don't really care about the historical argument as they are all based in the same history

Please elaborate because now I'm baffled (in this country)

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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:08 pm

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

would you agree that every racial slur directed at an African American is essentially the same word

I'm not the most qualified to answer this but I think the answer is clearly no

And personally speaking, you are correct

Then you don't really care about the historical argument as they are all based in the same history

Care to clarify the history to which you refer for the less educated?

Read the thread

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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:08 pm

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good dolphin wrote:

would you agree that every racial slur directed at an African American is essentially the same word

No. Not at all.

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leashyourkids wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

would you agree that every racial slur directed at an African American is essentially the same word

I'm not the most qualified to answer this but I think the answer is clearly no

And I disagree

Isn't that the gist of the argument?

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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:11 pm

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good dolphin wrote:

Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

would you agree that every racial slur directed at an African American is essentially the same word

I'm not the most qualified to answer this but I think the answer is clearly no

And personally speaking, you are correct

Then you don't really care about the historical argument as they are all based in the same history

Care to clarify the history to which you refer for the less educated?

Read the thread

Ok. How about for those of us who don't want to read the whole thread. Keep it short and simple. What is the historical argument?

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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:12 pm

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Regular Reader wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

would you agree that every racial slur directed at an African American is essentially the same word

I'm not the most qualified to answer this but I think the answer is clearly no

And personally speaking, you are correct

Then you don't really care about the historical argument as they are all based in the same history

Please elaborate because now I'm baffled (in this country)

Every slur word against African Americans is based in and understood to be sprung from the same history of slavery and post slavery as the one you consider to top the list

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If all words were equal then no one would ever have an emotional response to them. To say that all slurs are equal strips the meaning and historical context away from those words.

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Hatchetman wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

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But that's exactly the point. There is a hierarchy of slurs, despite Counselor Dolphin 's protestations :lol:

That is not my point. I am saying you use the one that causes the most damage for the situation at hand. A hierarchy would hold for all situations. Slurs do not.

Personally I disagree, but I'm fairly thick skinned with most of the colored cracks. Except that one. And I don't think that this is outside the overwhelming majority of Black folks.

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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:16 pm

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Not that it matters but dolphin is one of my favorite posters and I enjoy reading his thoughts on most topics. He's wrong but I'm not bothered by it at all and will continue to respond until I pass out. If JLN were posting I would have checked out a long time ago. #Don'tRespondToThePoster

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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:17 pm

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SpiralStairs wrote:

If all words were equal then no one would ever have an emotional response to them. To say that all slurs are equal strips the meaning and historical context away from those words.

All words aren't equal. All slurs are essentially the same

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