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Kirkwood

Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:49 pm

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

I see a ot of similarities to the Savard/Q situation.

But since no one has/had an odd obsessive hatred for the Hawks the firing wasn't controversial except for a select few die hard meatballs.

I hope the Cubs don't end up like the Blackhawks. They've been a fucking mess the past 5 years.

Not similar. The Hawks knew Savard couldn't do the job. The Cubs are perfectly happy with Renteria. Unless they can get Maddon. You really don't see the difference? Do you think it's fair to hire a guy and then not give him a chance? Would you want to work for someone like that?

Very similar.

How do you know that? They had Savard start the 3rd year. Why have Savard run a training camp and open the season if he wasn't the guy?

Buster Olney had a Tampa writer with second hand knowledge that the Cubs weren't happy with many of Renteria's in-game management decisions. Clearly they are somewhat unhappy with Renteria.

No, that's why I'm not in sports. It's a messed up industry.

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Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:50 pm

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Darkside wrote:

Did any of you think it was the plan to have Renteria manage this team once it was a contender?

No. But I, probably like The Great Theo realized he'd been sold a fraudulent bill of goods (& goods even he over-valued because of his lack of due diligence :lol:

) don't really believe a reasonable plan is in place.

That is except for the family profit sharing Plan the $$ from the investment in new bricks and mortar will realize.

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Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:50 pm

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conns7901 wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Bagels wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

So, when the Cubs hire Maddon, do they fire Renteria on the same day, because that would certainly be something I haven't seen very often.

why the hell would it matter if it was on the same day ?

this is the dumbest thread i've seen in a long time. rpb is putting in yeoman's work here, buddah bless

Are you suggesting that it is common to hire another manager while there is already one in place? I'm not sure I've ever seen it.

Please leave the Bucks out of this, they have enough issues.

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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:51 pm

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When the Hawks hired Quenneville as a scout, it was coming off a good-not-great three years in Denver, capped off by a DUI after the Avs fired him. The signing was pretty under the radar, and the Hawks bought low. I mean, once word got out, I think we all knew Q was going to be the coach before long, but he was not a coach on the top of his game opting out and making clandestine deals for a coaching job.

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Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:52 pm

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Kirkwood wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

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Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:53 pm

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leashyourkids wrote:

Hawg Ass wrote:

It is also a MLB policy to never announce any hirings or firings during the world series, amazing how I just read there could be a announcement with the Cubs and the latest new manager by Friday.

Calm down, Hawg.

I can't, I have to help Brick, JORR and Dolphin out, it is hard damn work.

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Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:58 pm

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RFDC wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Sox fan: This thing The Cubs are doing is horrible, no team has ever done it, and Cub fans should be appalled

This can be applied to any and all moves made by the team

yup.

You guys might want to hand chas's victim card back to him. This is getting pathetic.

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Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:00 pm

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leashyourkids wrote:

Sox fans are very upset that a team they don't care about didn't give a very wealthy manager a enough time to prove himself.

I'm sure that if the Cubs didn't reach out to Maddon and Renteria struggled over the next couple years, Sox fans would say the Cubs didn't do their due diligence when they had the opportunity.

That's like saying Cub fans are a bunch of whiny bitches who can troll but can't take trolling back.

STOP. GENERALIZING.

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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:05 pm

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Kirkwood wrote:

Buster Olney had a Tampa writer with second hand knowledge that the Cubs weren't happy with many of Renteria's in-game management decisions. Clearly they are somewhat unhappy with Renteria.

Clearly Maddon has his PR machine cranked up to 11.

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Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:08 pm

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Curious Hair wrote:

Coach Q was a "scout" for all of 4 games.

It's not his fault Colorado is a shit show franchise that fired him after he lost in the 2nd round to the eventual champion Red Wings.

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JORR literally doesn't now the meaning of "openly". :lol:

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Kirkwood

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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:09 pm

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

Buster Olney had a Tampa writer with second hand knowledge that the Cubs weren't happy with many of Renteria's in-game management decisions. Clearly they are somewhat unhappy with Renteria.

Clearly Maddon has his PR machine cranked up to 11.

If the fans were pissed about Renteria's use bunting and questionable bullpen management then it's not a stretch to assume Theo/Jed were too.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

Buster Olney had a Tampa writer with second hand knowledge that the Cubs weren't happy with many of Renteria's in-game management decisions. Clearly they are somewhat unhappy with Renteria.

Clearly Maddon has his PR machine cranked up to 11.

It's hilarious that anybody would take that "report" seriously. Seems like it would have been a pretty big scoop if someone had this a few weeks ago. But somehow nobody in Chicago had this but a local Tampa writer did. Is KC Johnson the new Cubs beat guy?

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Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:10 pm

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

Buster Olney had a Tampa writer with second hand knowledge that the Cubs weren't happy with many of Renteria's in-game management decisions. Clearly they are somewhat unhappy with Renteria.

Clearly Maddon has his PR machine cranked up to 11.

Damn, you beat me to it. A Tampa writer with second hand knowledge. I just lost respect for Maddon, he of the apparent first hand knowledge. Couldn't Maddon's great orchestration do just a bit better job. :wink:

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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:10 pm

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Right now old Ricky is opening a bottle of Scotch and listening to sad songs. He gone and he knows it!!!

I'm thinking this one cuz it bares his name.

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Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:11 pm

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Kirkwood wrote:

Curious Hair wrote:

Coach Q was a "scout" for all of 4 games.

It's not his fault Colorado is a shit show franchise that fired him after he lost in the 2nd round to the eventual champion Red Wings.

this was a bad enough thread already before people started talking about hockey...

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Hawg Ass

Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:12 pm

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Bagels wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

Curious Hair wrote:

Coach Q was a "scout" for all of 4 games.

It's not his fault Colorado is a shit show franchise that fired him after he lost in the 2nd round to the eventual champion Red Wings.

this was a bad enough thread already before people started talking about hockey...

He brought the Bucks up too, that wasn't me.

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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:37 pm

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leashyourkids wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Bagels wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

If it were really happening behind the scenes it wouldn't be getting leaked all over the place to the point where Renteria felt he needed to issue a press release stating that he was till the manager.

so are you now acknowledging that is occurs ? just that this time its more in the open ?

What I'm acknowleging is that often teams will have "back channel" discussions with other guys once they have made the decision to fire the guy they have. That isn't the case here. Renteria is likely only going to be fired if they can get Maddon. I'm sure you see the difference. If Maddon goes elsewhere, how can Renteria effectively manage a team that obviously doesn't really want him?

First, you were upset that the Cubs were underhanded in their dealings.

Then you were upset that people on the board weren't upset about the Cubs underhanded dealings.

Now you're upset that it might affect Cubs performance?

You're grasping, JORR.

Actually, I'm not upset at all. I know the Cubs will fail no matter who the manager is.

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Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:31 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

RFDC wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Sox fan: This thing The Cubs are doing is horrible, no team has ever done it, and Cub fans should be appalled

This can be applied to any and all moves made by the team

yup.

You guys might want to hand chas's victim card back to him. This is getting pathetic.

Victim?

No one id is a victim cause there is no crime. Im just saying how some Sox fans will spin anything the Cubs do negatively. But no one is getting hurt

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

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[quote="Joe Orr Road Rod", JORR.

Actually, I'm not upset at all. I know the Cubs will fail no matter who the manager is.[/quote]
Really? Thst doesn't seem to align with most if your baseball thoughts.

How could you ever [i]know[/i]?

Didnt you compare them to the Royals (one sin away)more than once earlier this year?

You a curse guy now?

Honestly it seems like youre trying to build a case that even if they win, it will be the wrong way or evil or some shit

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leashyourkids

Post subject: Re: Did Renteria get a fair shake?

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He got a fairer shake than Maddon is getting from many.

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rogers park bryan

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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:39 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Sox fans are very upset that a team they don't care about didn't give a very wealthy manager a enough time to prove himself.

Sox fans are not upset

Coulda fooled me

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Sox fans are very upset that a team they don't care about didn't give a very wealthy manager a enough time to prove himself.

Sox fans are not upset

Coulda fooled me

No offense but you get as involved as anyone in these discussions.

So, if Sox fans are upset, you are too.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Sox fans are very upset that a team they don't care about didn't give a very wealthy manager a enough time to prove himself.

Sox fans are not upset

Coulda fooled me

No offense but you get as involved as anyone in these discussions.

So, if Sox fans are upset, you are too.

Calm down Rick. You seem very upset.

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rogers park bryan

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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:47 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

No offense but you get as involved as anyone in these discussions.

So, if Sox fans are upset, you are too.

Nah

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Rod

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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:24 pm

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Honestly it seems like youre trying to build a case that even if they win, it will be the wrong way or evil or some shit

No, I don't think they will win.

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leashyourkids wrote:

I'm sorry you think Ricky is wealthy

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good dolphin wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

I'm sorry you think Ricky is wealthy

Relative to, say, a run of the mill lawyer, he is.

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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:12 pm

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Ricky "Raw Deal" Renteria

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Ricky "Raw Deal" Renteria

i'm going to hold a candlelight vigil for whoever babe bryant replaces when he undoubtedly ascends to the lineup this season. i trust you'll be there =D

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