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Zippy-The-Pinhead

Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:18 pm

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good dolphin wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

would you agree that every racial slur directed at an African American is essentially the same word

I'm not the most qualified to answer this but I think the answer is clearly no

And personally speaking, you are correct

Then you don't really care about the historical argument as they are all based in the same history

Please elaborate because now I'm baffled (in this country)

Every slur word against African Americans is based in and understood to be sprung from the same history of slavery and post slavery as the one you consider to top the list

I'm sure many are but most are now so arcane and ridiculous that they have little power.

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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:19 pm

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Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:20 pm

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good dolphin wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

would you agree that every racial slur directed at an African American is essentially the same word

I'm not the most qualified to answer this but I think the answer is clearly no

And personally speaking, you are correct

Then you don't really care about the historical argument as they are all based in the same history

Please elaborate because now I'm baffled (in this country)

Every slur word against African Americans is based in and understood to be sprung from the same history of slavery and post slavery as the one you consider to top the list

So where is the same American history?

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Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:20 pm

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good dolphin wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

would you agree that every racial slur directed at an African American is essentially the same word

I'm not the most qualified to answer this but I think the answer is clearly no

And personally speaking, you are correct

Then you don't really care about the historical argument as they are all based in the same history

Please elaborate because now I'm baffled (in this country)

Every slur word against African Americans is based in and understood to be sprung from the same history of slavery and post slavery as the one you consider to top the list

Disagree. When racial slurs were fighting words to me you calling me a monkey would have gotten a different response than you putting an er on the n-word.

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FavreFan

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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:21 pm

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Regular Reader wrote:

Hatchetman wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

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But that's exactly the point. There is a hierarchy of slurs, despite Counselor Dolphin 's protestations :lol:

That is not my point. I am saying you use the one that causes the most damage for the situation at hand. A hierarchy would hold for all situations. Slurs do not.

Personally I disagree, but I'm fairly thick skinned with most of the colored cracks. Except that one. And I don't think that this is outside the overwhelming majority of Black folks.

Would you say that you're ok with 3/5ths of the colored cracks?

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Zippy-The-Pinhead

Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:22 pm

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good dolphin wrote:

SpiralStairs wrote:

If all words were equal then no one would ever have an emotional response to them. To say that all slurs are equal strips the meaning and historical context away from those words.

All words aren't equal. All slurs are essentially the same

That's absurd.

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Regular Reader

Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:24 pm

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I just don't get the rationale behind not accepting the clear logic of Nas & Zippy's last posts

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Regular Reader

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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:27 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Hatchetman wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

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But that's exactly the point. There is a hierarchy of slurs, despite Counselor Dolphin 's protestations :lol:

That is not my point. I am saying you use the one that causes the most damage for the situation at hand. A hierarchy would hold for all situations. Slurs do not.

Personally I disagree, but I'm fairly thick skinned with most of the colored cracks. Except that one. And I don't think that this is outside the overwhelming majority of Black folks.

Would you say that you're ok with 3/5ths of the colored cracks?

Honestly I find most of them ridiculously ignorant and therefore amusing most of the time

And yeah, I saw what you did :wink:

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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:29 pm

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Regular Reader wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Hatchetman wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

[
But that's exactly the point. There is a hierarchy of slurs, despite Counselor Dolphin 's protestations :lol:

That is not my point. I am saying you use the one that causes the most damage for the situation at hand. A hierarchy would hold for all situations. Slurs do not.

Personally I disagree, but I'm fairly thick skinned with most of the colored cracks. Except that one. And I don't think that this is outside the overwhelming majority of Black folks.

Would you say that you're ok with 3/5ths of the colored cracks?

Honestly I find most of them ridiculously ignorant and therefore amusing most of the time

And yeah, I saw what you did :wink:

My bad. Just wasn't sure Don Tiny was gonna be around for the requisite joke

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Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:30 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Hatchetman wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

[
But that's exactly the point. There is a hierarchy of slurs, despite Counselor Dolphin 's protestations :lol:

That is not my point. I am saying you use the one that causes the most damage for the situation at hand. A hierarchy would hold for all situations. Slurs do not.

Personally I disagree, but I'm fairly thick skinned with most of the colored cracks. Except that one. And I don't think that this is outside the overwhelming majority of Black folks.

Would you say that you're ok with 3/5ths of the colored cracks?

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Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:30 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Hatchetman wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

[
But that's exactly the point. There is a hierarchy of slurs, despite Counselor Dolphin 's protestations :lol:

That is not my point. I am saying you use the one that causes the most damage for the situation at hand. A hierarchy would hold for all situations. Slurs do not.

Personally I disagree, but I'm fairly thick skinned with most of the colored cracks. Except that one. And I don't think that this is outside the overwhelming majority of Black folks.

Would you say that you're ok with 3/5ths of the colored cracks?

Delivery matters but I'll laugh at just about anything.

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good dolphin

Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:33 pm

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Regular Reader wrote:

I just don't get the rationale behind not accepting the clear logic of Nas & Zippy's last posts

Do you think the recognition of a word being a slur in the speaker or the listener

If it is in the speaker then the intent of all slurs is the same

If it is in the listener than you cannot have a heirarchy as the slight is only a subjective, personal offense.

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SpiralStairs

Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:35 pm

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good dolphin wrote:

SpiralStairs wrote:

If all words were equal then no one would ever have an emotional response to them. To say that all slurs are equal strips the meaning and historical context away from those words.

All words aren't equal. All slurs are essentially the same

Slurs are words, yes?

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good dolphin

Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:38 pm

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

SpiralStairs wrote:

If all words were equal then no one would ever have an emotional response to them. To say that all slurs are equal strips the meaning and historical context away from those words.

All words aren't equal. All slurs are essentially the same

That's absurd.

What is the difference, in its essence?

History is just a characteristic. All the words will have a pretty horrifying history when you trace them back. But what is reason for the creation and existence of the words. Take them to their core and they are just a regional dialect on the same word

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good dolphin

Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:39 pm

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SpiralStairs wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

SpiralStairs wrote:

If all words were equal then no one would ever have an emotional response to them. To say that all slurs are equal strips the meaning and historical context away from those words.

All words aren't equal. All slurs are essentially the same

Slurs are words, yes?

Don't Rick me. I'm fighting a multi front war

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Regular Reader

Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:41 pm

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good dolphin wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

I just don't get the rationale behind not accepting the clear logic of Nas & Zippy's last posts

Consider that many in the media and politics are remarkably loath to use the word "liar ". Those speakers will start with chicken shit references to misstatements or inaccuracies before the use of the word liar. Even though the facts have scarcely changed in the interim

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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:41 pm

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good dolphin wrote:

SpiralStairs wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

SpiralStairs wrote:

If all words were equal then no one would ever have an emotional response to them. To say that all slurs are equal strips the meaning and historical context away from those words.

All words aren't equal. All slurs are essentially the same

Slurs are words, yes?

Don't Rick me. I'm fighting a multi front war

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Hatchetman

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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:41 pm

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So the N word is a nuclear bomb, but chemical weapons and napalm are no Biggies.

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Regular Reader wrote:

I just don't get the rationale behind not accepting the clear logic of Nas & Zippy's last posts

I'll take "Sentences Never Before Uttered By Man" for $1000, Alex ....

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Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:42 pm

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SpiralStairs wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

SpiralStairs wrote:

If all words were equal then no one would ever have an emotional response to them. To say that all slurs are equal strips the meaning and historical context away from those words.

All words aren't equal. All slurs are essentially the same

Slurs are words, yes?

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Regular Reader

Post subject: Re: Have you ever said....

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:44 pm

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Don Tiny wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

I just don't get the rationale behind not accepting the clear logic of Nas & Zippy's last posts

I'll take "Sentences Never Before Uttered By Man" for $1000, Alex ....

What is: "we haven't had an Italian pope in 30 years Alex?"

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Zippy-The-Pinhead

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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:46 pm

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good dolphin wrote:

Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

SpiralStairs wrote:

If all words were equal then no one would ever have an emotional response to them. To say that all slurs are equal strips the meaning and historical context away from those words.

All words aren't equal. All slurs are essentially the same

That's absurd.

Well since the OP was directed to those of us still alive, I don't see where the origin matters. This really isn't some abstract legal argument...in current context there are some slurs which are more powerful and uttered with a clear intent to offend than others.

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Don Tiny wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

I just don't get the rationale behind not accepting the clear logic of Nas & Zippy's last posts

I'll take "Sentences Never Before Uttered By Man" for $1000, Alex ....

Hey now... :lol:

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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:48 pm

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Hatchetman wrote:

So the N word is a nuclear bomb, but chemical weapons and napalm are no Biggies.

Who said that slurs of any kind were no biggie?

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Don Tiny wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

I just don't get the rationale behind not accepting the clear logic of Nas & Zippy's last posts

I'll take "Sentences Never Before Uttered By Man" for $1000, Alex ....

MID...

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MANY people in this thread inferred that.

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SpiralStairs

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Hatchetman wrote:

MANY people in this thread inferred that.

All bad words are bad. Some bad words are worse than others.

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Being a multi generational non practicing self loathing jew, I have never used any racial slurs against anybody. I've never understood others who have used racial slurs. It's just stupid.

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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:58 pm

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Hatchetman wrote:

MANY people in this thread inferred that.

You mean implied? I think you're the only one who inferred it.

And I don't think many people implied it either

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good dolphin

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Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:59 pm

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

SpiralStairs wrote:

If all words were equal then no one would ever have an emotional response to them. To say that all slurs are equal strips the meaning and historical context away from those words.

All words aren't equal. All slurs are essentially the same

That's absurd.

Origins were a central part of the hierarchy groups argument

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