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I'm with Obama on this one. I think Iran timed the hostage release to make it appear that it was a ransom payment. The Iranians have a history of this sort of thing.


Now we know how Obama got to be President, when there's always been people to apologize for his misdeeds, in this case treason, like yourself.

You would probably have said, too, "Yes, he might have sat in Rev. Wright's America hating church, but he never listened, even with those big ears!"

It can't be coincidence when one of the American hostages, as reported by several outlets, said in an interview today that he was told by his Iranian captors that unless a second plane arrived, his plane would not be taking off. Additionally, it was also reported that State Dept. spokesmen refused to say whether the plane carrying money arrived before or after the plane carrying the American hostages departed. Hmmm.



They used to pull stunts like this during the 80's. They'd strategically release hostages as a way of screwing with the American political system. Helped cost Carter the 80 election.


Thank God.


Jimmy Carter was a true humanitarian. a man of honor and integrity. Unfortunately he wasn't a good President and set the liberal movement back at least a generation


Not long enough, unfortunately.


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Is Nixon now considered liberal?



iirc, this has been asked/answered on here before, complete with charts and farts, but, my god, yes, Nixon = most liberal President since FDR. Price and wage controls, expanded the "welfare state" x10 over LBJ; Tricky Dick created all those touchy-feely bs cabinet level agencies, like HHS, the EPA, et al. I mean, come the fuck on: If companies can't flush their toxic waste into the Great Lakes, then we're gonna lose jobs to Chiner. Bonus: no way the Asian Carp infestation spreads to Lake Erie pre-Nixon. No way any fish could live in that lake back then.


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Is Nixon now considered liberal?



iirc, this has been asked/answered on here before, complete with charts and farts, but, my god, yes, Nixon = most liberal President since FDR. Price and wage controls, expanded the "welfare state" x10 over LBJ; Tricky Dick created all those touchy-feely bs cabinet level agencies, like HHS, the EPA, et al. I mean, come the fuck on: If companies can't flush their toxic waste into the Great Lakes, then we're gonna lose jobs to Chiner.


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Is Nixon now considered liberal?


Yep. According to Chris Matthews he is the last liberal President. The Republican party of Reagan and Bush was definitely not Nixon's Republican Party.

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It's the President's birthday. Best President in my lifetime:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/55- ... mg00000067

I'm not anti-Obama--I like him, voted for him twice--but half of the things on that list are cringey. I guess the article is supposed to be entertaining, though.

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Is Nixon now considered liberal?



iirc, this has been asked/answered on here before, complete with charts and farts, but, my god, yes, Nixon = most liberal President since FDR. Price and wage controls, expanded the "welfare state" x10 over LBJ; Tricky Dick created all those touchy-feely bs cabinet level agencies, like HHS, the EPA, et al. I mean, come the fuck on: If companies can't flush their toxic waste into the Great Lakes, then we're gonna lose jobs to Chiner.


Yep


Closed the gold window and fully politicized the Federal Reserve.


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Is Nixon now considered liberal?



iirc, this has been asked/answered on here before, complete with charts and farts, but, my god, yes, Nixon = most liberal President since FDR. Price and wage controls, expanded the "welfare state" x10 over LBJ; Tricky Dick created all those touchy-feely bs cabinet level agencies, like HHS, the EPA, et al. I mean, come the fuck on: If companies can't flush their toxic waste into the Great Lakes, then we're gonna lose jobs to Chiner.


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Closed the gold window and fully politicized the Federal Reserve.


Visited China at the height of Vietnam and the Cold War. Completely unheard of at the time. In today's Republican Party that would be akin to Treason

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Is Nixon now considered liberal?


Yep. According to Chris Matthews he is the last liberal President. The Republican party of Reagan and Bush was definitely not Nixon's Republican Party.

Reagan used his playbook to get elected, though. I think he added the fundamentalists, but he won over the silent majority.

One of my favorite things about Nixon is the chip he had on his shoulder. Different kind of guy, that's for sure.

Plus, he was on Laugh-In.

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Is Nixon now considered liberal?


Yep. According to Chris Matthews he is the last liberal President. The Republican party of Reagan and Bush was definitely not Nixon's Republican Party.

Reagan used his playbook to get elected, though. I think he added the fundamentalists, but he won over the silent majority.

One of my favorite things about Nixon is the chip he had on his shoulder. Different kind of guy, that's for sure.

Plus, he was on Laugh-In.


Probably the most insecure guy to ever hold office. He was a true politician though. That is why I liked the guy. There was that thing with Watergate but he really understood politics and he was immensely qualified to do the job. He also was a member of the NAACP if I remember correctly.

Nixon was never an arch conservative and Reagan and the Neo con crowd hated him for it. Yeah Reagan did implement the Southern strategy that Nixon employed to win. Nixon also wasn't pro business in the way you see out of modern politicians.

I remember reading a quote where he prophetically stated that big business loves a financial crisis that's why they create them.

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Nas wrote:
Is Nixon now considered liberal?


Yep. According to Chris Matthews he is the last liberal President. The Republican party of Reagan and Bush was definitely not Nixon's Republican Party.

Reagan used his playbook to get elected, though. I think he added the fundamentalists, but he won over the silent majority.

One of my favorite things about Nixon is the chip he had on his shoulder.
Different kind of guy, that's for sure.

Plus, he was on Laugh-In.


You mean having the election stolen from him and Kennedy pretending he liked blacks more than Nixon?

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Is Nixon now considered liberal?


Yep. According to Chris Matthews he is the last liberal President. The Republican party of Reagan and Bush was definitely not Nixon's Republican Party.

Reagan used his playbook to get elected, though. I think he added the fundamentalists, but he won over the silent majority.

One of my favorite things about Nixon is the chip he had on his shoulder.
Different kind of guy, that's for sure.

Plus, he was on Laugh-In.


You mean having the election stolen from him and Kennedy pretending he liked blacks more than Nixon?


I remember Buchanan saying that they didn't bitch about the Kennedys stealing Illinois because they stole Kentucky.

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Is Nixon now considered liberal?


Yep. According to Chris Matthews he is the last liberal President. The Republican party of Reagan and Bush was definitely not Nixon's Republican Party.

Reagan used his playbook to get elected, though. I think he added the fundamentalists, but he won over the silent majority.

One of my favorite things about Nixon is the chip he had on his shoulder.
Different kind of guy, that's for sure.

Plus, he was on Laugh-In.


You mean having the election stolen from him and Kennedy pretending he liked blacks more than Nixon?


JFK was a life-long civil rights activist! :wink:

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Nas wrote:
Is Nixon now considered liberal?


Yep. According to Chris Matthews he is the last liberal President. The Republican party of Reagan and Bush was definitely not Nixon's Republican Party.

Reagan used his playbook to get elected, though. I think he added the fundamentalists, but he won over the silent majority.

One of my favorite things about Nixon is the chip he had on his shoulder.
Different kind of guy, that's for sure.

Plus, he was on Laugh-In.


You mean having the election stolen from him and Kennedy pretending he liked blacks more than Nixon?


JFK was a life-long civil rights activist! :wink:


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This was money owed to Iran when their assets were frozen under Carter. If it went to world court,the USA might have had to pay billions. So they settled out of court for the 400 mil. This is the story Obama gave in his press conference.

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This was money owed to Iran when their assets were frozen under Carter. If it went to world court,the USA might have had to pay billions. So they settled out of court for the 400 mil. This is the story Obama gave in his press conference.


They should be cool with us keeping the dough, it's like thank you card for us letting them develop nukes.


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Obama is top 5 president all-time easily, right?

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Obama is top 5 president all-time easily, right?


No.

Maybe too 45.


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Obama is top 5 president all-time easily, right?


No.

Maybe too 45.


I'll go with greatest.

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Jimmy Carter was a true humanitarian. a man of honor and integrity.



Jimmy Carter is an anti-Semitic douchebag.

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Jimmy Carter was a true humanitarian. a man of honor and integrity.



Jimmy Carter is an anti-Semitic douchebag.


what took so long... :lol:

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Jimmy Carter was a true humanitarian. a man of honor and integrity.



Jimmy Carter is an anti-Semitic douchebag.


A humanitarian that hates Jews and takes sides with the groups whoes main goal is to finish the Holocaust.

Sounds like a great guy.


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Jimmy Carter was a true humanitarian. a man of honor and integrity.



Jimmy Carter is an anti-Semitic douchebag.


A humanitarian that hates Jews and takes sides with the groups whoes main goal is to finish the Holocaust.

Sounds like a great guy.


Did you take issue with Reagan providing forming an allegiance and providing chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein. The same chemical weapons that he later used against the Kurds?


What about the support that he provided for Latin American death squads?


Carter's anti Semitism was definitely another black mark for a guy that has had a number of them over the years. He was possibly the only President concerned about human rights violations though. He walked the walk on that. Not in every instance but he at least showed concern for it.

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Jimmy Carter was a true humanitarian. a man of honor and integrity.



Jimmy Carter is an anti-Semitic douchebag.


A humanitarian that hates Jews and takes sides with the groups whoes main goal is to finish the Holocaust.

Sounds like a great guy.


Did you take issue with Reagan providing forming an allegiance and providing chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein. The same chemical weapons that he later used against the Kurds?


What about the support that he provided for Latin American death squads?


Carter's anti Semitism was definitely another black mark for a guy that has had a number of them over the years. He was possibly the only President concerned about human rights violations though. He walked the walk on that. Not in every instance but he at least showed concern for it.


Never sold Saddam Hussein chemical weapons.


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Jimmy Carter was a true humanitarian. a man of honor and integrity.



Jimmy Carter is an anti-Semitic douchebag.


A humanitarian that hates Jews and takes sides with the groups whoes main goal is to finish the Holocaust.

Sounds like a great guy.


Did you take issue with Reagan providing forming an allegiance and providing chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein. The same chemical weapons that he later used against the Kurds?


What about the support that he provided for Latin American death squads?


Carter's anti Semitism was definitely another black mark for a guy that has had a number of them over the years. He was possibly the only President concerned about human rights violations though. He walked the walk on that. Not in every instance but he at least showed concern for it.


Never sold Saddam Hussein chemical weapons.


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... 3XtnD6hGqw


You are right and I'm wrong. I remembered it incorrectly.

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Jimmy Carter was a true humanitarian. a man of honor and integrity.



Jimmy Carter is an anti-Semitic douchebag.


A humanitarian that hates Jews and takes sides with the groups whoes main goal is to finish the Holocaust.

Sounds like a great guy.


Did you take issue with Reagan providing forming an allegiance and providing chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein. The same chemical weapons that he later used against the Kurds?


What about the support that he provided for Latin American death squads?


Carter's anti Semitism was definitely another black mark for a guy that has had a number of them over the years. He was possibly the only President concerned about human rights violations though. He walked the walk on that. Not in every instance but he at least showed concern for it.


Never sold Saddam Hussein chemical weapons.


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... 3XtnD6hGqw


You are right and I'm wrong. I remembered it incorrectly.


Correct. As I said, the U.S. government never sold Iraq chemical weapons.


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Sorry about aborting the victory lap.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... hwaSRejZcw

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Uh, ok?

We didn't sell them chemical weapons. The links that you have provided confirm that.


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They used chemical weapons during the Iran-Iraq war. The stuff that they used was provided by the Reagan Administration.

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They used chemical weapons during the Iran-Iraq war. The stuff that they used was provided by the Reagan Administration.


"Stuff" being chemicals sold to Iraq under a dual-use clause. It wasn't weaponized when initially sold, that part was taken care of inside Iraq with machinery and computers provided by a cornucopia of U.S. and European conglomerates.

So, as stated previously, no chemical weapons were sold to Iraq during this period.


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