badrogue17 wrote:
formerlyknownas wrote:
Nas wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Nas wrote:
Who said it was blindly? The teachers in Chicago have been getting screwed for decades. We give them limited resources and expect them to educate 38 kids in 1 class. Somehow we always find the funds for cops and firemen.
Hasn't the number employed in each profession been declining as new hires aren't outpacing retirees? Should two wrongs lead to a 3rd?
If parent participation is a large factor in the success of a student then why should salary increases, benefits and pensions be required for teachers?
It isn't just about salary though. Personally I believe teachers should be paid more than cops and firemen. In my world they are far more important. We nickel and dime them and don't give them the tools they need and then expect them to educate 40 kids. That's fucking ridiculous
Teachers aren't more important than cops or firefighters. There's nothing uniquely special about teaching--it's valuable, but people sentimentalize the profession all the time. That kind of hat-tipping does no one any good. I say that as a teacher.
Of course, if we want good teachers, we have to pay a competitive wage. I am all for that. The number of unintelligent and lazy people who go into teaching is staggering.
Another problem is that we need more teachers and schools. 30-40 kids per class? That dog don't hunt. It just can't be done. Maybe in a different context it could, but in most contexts in today's world, it can't.
You're all over the map. If we are already getting "a number of lazy unintelligent people" as teachers but we need good teachers, you think taking away the perks of the job is going to draw this huge pool of not lazy and intelligent people that want to deal with the working conditions they have?
Let me explain what I mean. What I am saying is that, in this world, a public pension is no longer feasible. Do a 401k.
What we can pay teachers is limited, just like any other job. However, if we were to pay teachers significantly more, like some people argue, the problems in public education would no go away. Teachers might have more dough re me, but our interests as a society would not be served.
What teachers really need is the ability to do their job. Now this is gonna take some investment. 20-25 kids per class, plus the necessary human services. That's where you need to spend the money.
You can recruit teachers by offering a competitive salary--the CPS teachers have one now--but they'll need to know that they're not gonna get that place in the Hamptons. However, job satisfaction is not only an important recruiting device; it is also an important retention device. Over a quarter (some say it is closer to half) of teachers leave the profession within five years. Given the expense of college tuition, this does not seem like the best use of resources.
If teachers are allowed to do their jobs, they may stay. Theoretically, the good ones will stay because this is what they do, this is their life's work. Not all will, because some people have other goals, but there are many smart and talented people who would love to return to the classroom, but the hell they endured keeps them away from it.
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