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What preparation do you need for the ACT? You can't study for something that size. Either you know and have learned the material through high school, or you don't know it.


You can study for the ACT with the right tutors or companies helping you a long the way. It's not like the test questions or atleast types of test question on the test are a secret.


Conns, not sure how involved you are in Standardized Tests, but do you have a lot of students that score high on Math but get low scores on Verbal stuff or vice versa? My SAT's were such a contrast. Luckily, I corrected that by grad school.

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Test taking strategies?

You read the question, and then you answer it.

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What preparation do you need for the ACT? You can't study for something that size. Either you know and have learned the material through high school, or you don't know it.


You can study for the ACT with the right tutors or companies helping you a long the way. It's not like the test questions or atleast types of test question on the test are a secret.


Conns, not sure how involved you are in Standardized Tests, but do you have a lot of students that score high on Math but get low scores on Verbal stuff or vice versa? My SAT's were such a contrast. Luckily, I corrected that by grad school.


I've never taught Juniors so can't really give a good answer on ACT/SAT results. At the junior high level I,can say the thing we were stressing particulary in the last five years was written response answers. There was a gap for a lot of kids between straight computation and written response type answers.

ACT/SAT prep classes/tutors like Excel Edge are a big money maker. It is an easy part time job for teachers that pays between 40-50 dollars an hour during the testing season.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:23 am 
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student protests and student governments almost always consist of non-STEM majors as the STEM majors are too busy learning applicable skills that will allow them to pay off their student debts and find gainful employment. The liberal arts students will piss away their college years on dumbass protests and then spend the next 25 years asking for Bernie to bail them out of their 5 figure debt as they are stuck working at Starbucks and found that their women's studies major doesn't lead to a paycheck.

This must be why my alma mater (Purdue) tends to be more apathetic on political issues than most. Everyone's too damn busy doing their MATLAB assignment to protest.


I don't think making everyone a STEM major is the solution.

Agreed. We need Starbucks to have employees.


We need to improve the technical ability of our youth with STEM majors, but eliminating all liberal arts classes is not the solution either. We still need abstract, critical thinkers. Our two presidential options was proof of that. We have a society that doesn't understand - even at a rudimentary level - the philosophies we claim to subscribe to and that doesn't have enough critical thinking skill to argue opposing philosophies in a logical manner. We have people at Berkeley setting things on fire and disallowing opposing viewpoints. We have people who dangerously propose the elimination of due process for certain crimes. We have people who literally argue against any government intervention in health care but love Medicare. I'm not saying it wasn't always like that to an extent, but I have to believe that there was more rational thought and debate in previous generations. Multiple factors probably affect this, but it surely isn't a good reflection on our education "system"... and eliminating courses that encourage critical thinking through philosophy, literature, drama, sociology, etc would only exacerbate the problem, IMO.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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Protesters are the scum of this earh. this country was founded on obedience and acceptance of rules and policies, not on protests and the questioning of authority. These PC libtards should be jailed or deported so we can revive this country's strong tradition of unquestioned obedience to rulers.

This guy gets it.


Funny that the guy who did not want the "radical change" of Sanders stands with the protestors.

I find the mass protests interesting, but usually pointless.


If the point is only that the next generation is activated and politically aware for the rest of their lives, it was worthwhile.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:24 am 
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Douchebag wrote:
Test taking strategies?

You read the question, and then you answer it.


You're not a good test taker? You mean you're bad at the part where we find out how much you know?

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Test taking strategies?

You read the question, and then you answer it.


Well as a guy who has taken and passed many high stakes exams, the CPA and CFA ones most notably, there are certainly a lot of test taking strategies. People waste time on questions where they have no shot at coming to the right answer. I have helped many of my co-workers with CFA exam prep. But Standardized tests are are different animal because they are not strictly mastery of a fixed body of knowledge.

I took a test prep course at NIU for the Audit Exam section of the CPA. I ended up with my highest subscore in that section, and the teachers were fantastic. They gave us so many useful tips that made the exam easy.

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denisdman wrote:
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Test taking strategies?

You read the question, and then you answer it.


Well as a guy who has taken and passed many high stakes exams, the CPA and CFA ones most notably, there are certainly a lot of test taking strategies. People waste time on questions where they have no shot at coming to the right answer. I have helped many of my co-workers with CFA exam prep. But Standardized tests are are different animal because they are not strictly mastery of a fixed body of knowledge.

I took a test prep course at NIU for the Audit Exam section of the CPA. I ended up with my highest subscore in that section, and the teachers were fantastic. They gave us so many useful tips that made the exam easy.


It is true that there is a strategy to taking tests, but I always considered that to be part of the measure of logic of the person. People who get stuck on a question for an hour and don't move on deserve to fail and, ultimately, die so that our species can become stronger.

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student protests and student governments almost always consist of non-STEM majors as the STEM majors are too busy learning applicable skills that will allow them to pay off their student debts and find gainful employment. The liberal arts students will piss away their college years on dumbass protests and then spend the next 25 years asking for Bernie to bail them out of their 5 figure debt as they are stuck working at Starbucks and found that their women's studies major doesn't lead to a paycheck.

This must be why my alma mater (Purdue) tends to be more apathetic on political issues than most. Everyone's too damn busy doing their MATLAB assignment to protest.


I don't think making everyone a STEM major is the solution.

Agreed. We need Starbucks to have employees.


We need to improve the technical ability of our youth with STEM majors, but eliminating all liberal arts classes is not the solution either. We still need abstract, critical thinkers. Our two presidential options was proof of that. We have a society that doesn't understand - even at a rudimentary level - the philosophies we claim to subscribe to and that doesn't have enough critical thinking skill to argue opposing philosophies in a logical manner. We have people at Berkeley setting things on fire and disallowing opposing viewpoints. We have people who dangerously propose the elimination of due process for certain crimes. We have people who literally argue against any government intervention in health care but love Medicare. I'm not saying it wasn't always like that to an extent, but I have to believe that there was more rational thought and debate in previous generations. Multiple factors probably affect this, but it surely isn't a good reflection on our education "system"... and eliminating courses that encourage critical thinking through philosophy, literature, drama, sociology, etc would only exacerbate the problem, IMO.
Soon we can automate critical thinking.

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without those STEM majors how are we going to do important shit like make a half elephant half woolly mammoth?

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Ruff, there is not a lot you can do in terms of test prep. You either know the stuff or you don't. Study courses mainly come down to test taking strategies and getting familiar with the format.

That being said, I significantly improved my GMAT scores by spending time on practice exams. I corrected a lot of simple mistakes I was making on the "verbal" section by studying the questions I got wrong over and over. The fine folks at NIU's business school scared me into thinking you needed a 600 composite score to get in. It worked. I probably should have applied to Northwestern or UC, but then I'd be asking for student loan help like Spiral!

I came to find out there were letting pretty much anyone into their business school who applied.


You stated that you significantly improved your scores. I think people can be trained to take tests better. I think that's the biggest challenge of this tests. The pressure, the time etc.

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We still need abstract, critical thinkers. eliminating courses that encourage critical thinking through philosophy, literature, drama, sociology, etc would only exacerbate the problem, IMO.


This is a receipe for disaster. "Critical thinking" skills is just a Soros/Clinton/Clooney-funded tool designed to undermine the legitimacy of President Trump's historic victory and presidency. These "skills" are deployed by Soros/Clinton/Clooney MSM minions all over the country to question the veractiy of the presidents' statements and policies, as if those things needed verification. The effect of all these "critical thinking" exercises is lively debate and discussion all over the country about public policy and civic engagement, all of which is anti-American because derails the president's agenda and his right to construct his own narrative and facts. No true patriot would allow "critical thinking" sklls to filter anything the president says or does, so in contrast to this libtard shithead we need to support the total elimination of all those courses and skills in order to finally unify around the president.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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Ruff, there is not a lot you can do in terms of test prep. You either know the stuff or you don't. Study courses mainly come down to test taking strategies and getting familiar with the format.

That being said, I significantly improved my GMAT scores by spending time on practice exams. I corrected a lot of simple mistakes I was making on the "verbal" section by studying the questions I got wrong over and over. The fine folks at NIU's business school scared me into thinking you needed a 600 composite score to get in. It worked. I probably should have applied to Northwestern or UC, but then I'd be asking for student loan help like Spiral!

I came to find out there were letting pretty much anyone into their business school who applied.


You stated that you significantly improved your scores. I think people can be trained to take tests better. I think that's the biggest challenge of this tests. The pressure, the time etc.


Bu then you have what is basically going on right now in most public schools,teaching to the test. They are not really teaching anything but what is needed to pass the test that year.

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We still need abstract, critical thinkers. eliminating courses that encourage critical thinking through philosophy, literature, drama, sociology, etc would only exacerbate the problem, IMO.


This is a receipe for disaster. "Critical thinking" skills is just a Soros/Clinton/Clooney-funded tool designed to undermine the legitimacy of President Trump's historic victory and presidency. These "skills" are deployed by Soros/Clinton/Clooney MSM minions all over the country to question the veractiy of the presidents' statements and policies, as if those things needed verification. The effect of all these "critical thinking" exercises is lively debate and discussion all over the country about public policy and civic engagement, all of which is anti-American because derails the president's agenda and his right to construct his own narrative and facts. No true patriot would allow "critical thinking" sklls to filter anything the president says or does, so in contrast to this libtard shithead we need to support the total elimination of all those courses and skills in order to finally unify around the president.


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good dolphin wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Bootstraps Max wrote:
Protesters are the scum of this earh. this country was founded on obedience and acceptance of rules and policies, not on protests and the questioning of authority. These PC libtards should be jailed or deported so we can revive this country's strong tradition of unquestioned obedience to rulers.

This guy gets it.


Funny that the guy who did not want the "radical change" of Sanders stands with the protestors.

I find the mass protests interesting, but usually pointless.


If the point is only that the next generation is activated and politically aware for the rest of their lives, it was worthwhile.


I'm really vibrating on gd's frequency in this thread.

You motherfucker.


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good dolphin wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Bootstraps Max wrote:
Protesters are the scum of this earh. this country was founded on obedience and acceptance of rules and policies, not on protests and the questioning of authority. These PC libtards should be jailed or deported so we can revive this country's strong tradition of unquestioned obedience to rulers.

This guy gets it.


Funny that the guy who did not want the "radical change" of Sanders stands with the protestors.

I find the mass protests interesting, but usually pointless.


If the point is only that the next generation is activated and politically aware for the rest of their lives, it was worthwhile.



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good dolphin wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Bootstraps Max wrote:
Protesters are the scum of this earh. this country was founded on obedience and acceptance of rules and policies, not on protests and the questioning of authority. These PC libtards should be jailed or deported so we can revive this country's strong tradition of unquestioned obedience to rulers.

This guy gets it.


Funny that the guy who did not want the "radical change" of Sanders stands with the protestors.

I find the mass protests interesting, but usually pointless.


If the point is only that the next generation is activated and politically aware for the rest of their lives, it was worthwhile.


I'm really vibrating on gd's frequency in this thread.

You motherfucker.


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