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I'd take it a step further and say non citizens should hold no government employment.



I agree.


Same here.

Me too

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I'd take it a step further and say non citizens should hold no government employment.



I agree.


Same here.

I am in Camp Reader, JORR and Dolphin. I doubt I will ever say that again.

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I initially thought this was going to discuss non-residents being a police officer in a village in which they dont live...

an old article but it appears to summarize the situation well (open in an incognito/private browser to get around the trib's viewing restrictions)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/a ... story.html

it never occurred to me that non-us citizens could and potentially are police officers. bizarre concept


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I'd take it a step further and say non citizens should hold no government employment.



I agree.


Same here.

I am in Camp Reader, JORR and Dolphin. I doubt I will ever say that again.


Don't you have bad ground and pound spring football to obsess over? :P

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We don't need cops in towns like Mt Prospect and Sleepy Hollow. I am sure you told your friend that.



One of his arguments was actually pretty much that, that within the next 10-15 years with self-driving cars the need for police man power in Mt. Prospect would be greatly reduced. The people on the council- most of whom are 60+ years old- scoffed at that and acted as if he was talking about some crazy shit out of The Jetsons.


I believe your friend brought this up at the club. He looked at me strange when I said I had no problem with non-citizens as police officers. If the person is authorized to work in this country and goes through all the required training, I really don't care. Police forces are dealing with issues such as community trust and being able to communicate language wise, and I suspect having non-citizens would address some of that. In an ideal world, you want the police force to reflect the community.


A police force shouldn't "reflect" the community. That's just dumb identity politics. It should actually be the community. If LaQuan McDonald is a neighbor who you watched grow up, it's probably going to be a lot harder to shoot him in the back than if you're some kind of pseudo jailer sent in from Edgebrook to run roughshod over people you don't know and don't want to know.

But I think citizenship should be a requirement if you're going to police citizens.


You know perfectly well the cop didn't come from Edgebrook, just his attorney.

But here is the counter to your statement, that same officer who wouldn't shoot Mc Donald if he knew him would be similarly reluctant to police his bad acts if he knew him.


I disagree. I bet you yell at kids to get off your lawn all the time. I don't think that would stop if they had guns and you had a badge. Everyone wants to live in a nice neighborhood.


I could cite thousands of examples from small communities to big cities that show that your are incorrect but I will instead give you a fun anecdote:

my brother got pulled over by a bicycle cop downtown this week. He was contesting but the cop wasn't listening. My brother then used the name of a long time family friend who happens to have made lieutenant in the bike cop's district. The cop responded that if he wanted to play that game he was going to call said officer, who was a partner of the bike cop at one time, and if he was lying, he would be cited for more than the original infraction. A quick call was made and the guy apologetically let my brother go.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:45 pm 
JORR are you ok with non citizens serving in the military?


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Regular Reader wrote:
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I'd take it a step further and say non citizens should hold no government employment.



I agree.


Same here.

I am in Camp Reader, JORR and Dolphin. I doubt I will ever say that again.


Don't you have bad ground and pound spring football to obsess over? :P

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I say yes so long as we make sure they have the Bill of Rights fricken drilled into their heads. In fact that's something other cops should refresh upon.

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We should let non citizens be POTUS and in congress. Why not?

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sjboyd0137 wrote:
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good dolphin wrote:
I'd take it a step further and say non citizens should hold no government employment.



I agree.


Same here.

Me too

Who here, at least amongst those that are at least arguably compos mentis, would actually disagree with that?

I would imagine that's an opinion that has to be close to, if not be, number one as far as largest percentage of the board as a whole agrees on.

(that said, I'm going to take a gamble and hope pmike is joking)

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Don Tiny wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I'd take it a step further and say non citizens should hold no government employment.



I agree.


Same here.

Me too

Who here, at least amongst those that are at least arguably compos mentis, would actually disagree with that?

I would imagine that's an opinion that has to be close to, if not be, number one as far as largest percentage of the board as a whole agrees on.

(that said, I'm going to take a gamble and hope pmike is joking)


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This is like the most non-argument argument we've ever had. FavreFan even tried and couldn't really even come up with an argument otherwise besides "Police suck already".

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This is like the most non-argument argument we've ever had. FavreFan even tried and couldn't really even come up with an argument otherwise besides "Police suck already".


It was fun to watch him try to do his thing though. :lol:

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This is like the most non-argument argument we've ever had. FavreFan even tried and couldn't really even come up with an argument otherwise besides "Police suck already".

:lol:

I don't really care enough about this to keep going. I just don't really see US citizens as inherently better equipped than non citizens to enforce the law. Ideally, it would be much easier to become a citizen here and the conversation would be moot.

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No. I agree with gd, jorr, etc.

There are MANY citizens that should not be allowed to have a job on the police force...

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sjboyd0137 wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I'd take it a step further and say non citizens should hold no government employment.



I agree.


Same here.

Me too


Who will pick up the city trash? I don't see any of you doing it!!

Working in Streets and San should be a path to citizenship. Except for chas.

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Who will pick up the city trash?


Fourth generation Irish-Americans.

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Who will pick up the city trash?
That was the latest topic at White Sox marketing.

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Who will pick up the city trash?


Fourth generation Irish-Americans.


:lol: :lol:

It certainly won't be you, Reader of dolphin.

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I could cite thousands of examples from small communities to big cities that show that your are incorrect but I will instead give you a fun anecdote:

my brother got pulled over by a bicycle cop downtown this week. He was contesting but the cop wasn't listening. My brother then used the name of a long time family friend who happens to have made lieutenant in the bike cop's district. The cop responded that if he wanted to play that game he was going to call said officer, who was a partner of the bike cop at one time, and if he was lying, he would be cited for more than the original infraction. A quick call was made and the guy apologetically let my brother go.


What's wrong with that outside of the city possibly losing some revenue?

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Fourth generation Irish-Americans.


:lol: :lol:

It certainly won't be you, Reader of dolphin.


He's the one?

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Fourth generation Irish-Americans.


:lol: :lol:

It certainly won't be you, Reader of dolphin.


He's the one?


He's the only one that can get around the whole quote function issue.

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I could cite thousands of examples from small communities to big cities that show that your are incorrect but I will instead give you a fun anecdote:

my brother got pulled over by a bicycle cop downtown this week. He was contesting but the cop wasn't listening. My brother then used the name of a long time family friend who happens to have made lieutenant in the bike cop's district. The cop responded that if he wanted to play that game he was going to call said officer, who was a partner of the bike cop at one time, and if he was lying, he would be cited for more than the original infraction. A quick call was made and the guy apologetically let my brother go.


What's wrong with that outside of the city possibly losing some revenue?


You know where selective enforcement leads.

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Fourth generation Irish-Americans.


:lol: :lol:

It certainly won't be you, Reader of dolphin.


I'd do it for the rates some people charge

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No. If they are not legal citizens they should be ineligible, the same as someone who is under 21, over 35, unable to pass the written or agility tests, guilty of a felony, unable to pass their psychological or polygraph testing or any of the other requirements that pretty much every department has. Ineligible.

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I'd rather have JUAN police my community than Steve.

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I'd rather have JUAN police my community than Steve.



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I could cite thousands of examples from small communities to big cities that show that your are incorrect but I will instead give you a fun anecdote:

my brother got pulled over by a bicycle cop downtown this week. He was contesting but the cop wasn't listening. My brother then used the name of a long time family friend who happens to have made lieutenant in the bike cop's district. The cop responded that if he wanted to play that game he was going to call said officer, who was a partner of the bike cop at one time, and if he was lying, he would be cited for more than the original infraction. A quick call was made and the guy apologetically let my brother go.



But you're looking at it within the context of the existing paradigm. First of all, Chicago has far more officers per capita than most communities. I believe it's about 45 cops per 10,000 residents. I don't think if you broke down Chicago into districts of 10,000 people and their 45 officers had to police the area where those 10,000- and they themselves lived- that there would be a lot of selective enforcement. The cops aren't going to want to live in a crime-infested community. Maybe cops could even be elected to eight years terms, although that obviously adds a political component. Whatever, there has to be a better way than how we're doing it.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I could cite thousands of examples from small communities to big cities that show that your are incorrect but I will instead give you a fun anecdote:

my brother got pulled over by a bicycle cop downtown this week. He was contesting but the cop wasn't listening. My brother then used the name of a long time family friend who happens to have made lieutenant in the bike cop's district. The cop responded that if he wanted to play that game he was going to call said officer, who was a partner of the bike cop at one time, and if he was lying, he would be cited for more than the original infraction. A quick call was made and the guy apologetically let my brother go.



But you're looking at it within the context of the existing paradigm. First of all, Chicago has far more officers per capita than most communities. I believe it's about 45 cops per 10,000 residents. I don't think if you broke down Chicago into districts of 10,000 people and their 45 officers had to police the area where those 10,000- and they themselves lived- that there would be a lot of selective enforcement. The cops aren't going to want to live in a crime-infested community. Maybe cops could even be elected to eight years terms, although that obviously adds a political component. Whatever, there has to be a better way than how we're doing it.


There are plenty of instances of problems in policing in small towns due to a lack of enforcement against favored residents.

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