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But without single payer, that's literally what happens.
:lol: That didn't even happen before Obamacare.


It did, and take away Medicare(Single Payer) and it would happen to the elderly.
Hospitals cannot turn away someone who is in a life threatening situation. It has been like that my whole life.

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lib·er·al
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1.
open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.
"they have more liberal views toward marriage and divorce than some people"
2.
(of education) concerned mainly with broadening a person's general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training.



Rules Rick out. That aside, I am afraid that if I supposedly parrot Jorr's thoughts then some think I am a liberal?

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JORR thinks every single Muslim is in ISIS


I don't think that. But I do think Islam is a horrible philosophy that is danced around because it is seen not just as a religion, but a minority religion, this despite claiming 1.6 billion adherents. If Islam were something that was created last year by two guys in a basement in Baltimore nobody would have any qualms about saying how horrible it is. Why is it okay to criticize Christians but not Muslims? Why is it okay to think Scientologists are goofy but not Muslims?

Anyway, I think I score liberal points for not supporting a religion that makes women walk around in bags and suggests throwing homosexuals off of buildings.

All religions should be mocked if they engage in mockable acts.



But at this point in time that statement comes off somewhat like "all lives matter".

Mmm not really. Because Im not trying to shush you or put down your cause. I understand that Islamic terrorism is a bigger problem than Christian terrorism currently. Im just saying Im good with criticizing all of it.

And you specifically made the comparison. If you would have left out Christians I would have said "i have no problem mocking Islam"


You wont find many All Lives Matter guys who will say "go ahead and punish the bad cops" without some bullshit about how hard their jobs are or how their only job is to get home at night etc
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
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But without single payer, that's literally what happens.
:lol: That didn't even happen before Obamacare.


It did, and take away Medicare(Single Payer) and it would happen to the elderly.
Hospitals cannot turn away someone who is in a life threatening situation. It has been like that my whole life.


They are only required to stabilize people to a certain level. But someone with cancer and no insurance can rot to death without insurance.
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
JORR thinks every single Muslim is in ISIS


I don't think that. But I do think Islam is a horrible philosophy that is danced around because it is seen not just as a religion, but a minority religion, this despite claiming 1.6 billion adherents. If Islam were something that was created last year by two guys in a basement in Baltimore nobody would have any qualms about saying how horrible it is. Why is it okay to criticize Christians but not Muslims? Why is it okay to think Scientologists are goofy but not Muslims?

Anyway, I think I score liberal points for not supporting a religion that makes women walk around in bags and suggests throwing homosexuals off of buildings.

All religions should be mocked if they engage in mockable acts.



But at this point in time that statement comes off somewhat like "all lives matter".

Mmm not really. Because Im not trying to shush you or put down your cause. I understand that Islamic terrorism is a bigger problem than Christian terrorism currently. Im just saying Im good with criticizing all of it.

And you specifically made the comparison. If you would have left out Christians I would have said "i have no problem mocking Islam"


You wont find many All Lives Matter guys who will say "go ahead and punish the bad cops" without some bullshit about how hard their jobs are or how their only job is to get home at night etc


That's "Blue Lives Matter", isn't it? :lol:

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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JORR thinks every single Muslim is in ISIS


I don't think that. But I do think Islam is a horrible philosophy that is danced around because it is seen not just as a religion, but a minority religion, this despite claiming 1.6 billion adherents. If Islam were something that was created last year by two guys in a basement in Baltimore nobody would have any qualms about saying how horrible it is. Why is it okay to criticize Christians but not Muslims? Why is it okay to think Scientologists are goofy but not Muslims?

Anyway, I think I score liberal points for not supporting a religion that makes women walk around in bags and suggests throwing homosexuals off of buildings.

All religions should be mocked if they engage in mockable acts.


But I cringe at the Christian victim thing. It goes right along with the Men's rights folks and the people who say "white people get the shaft"


You are right. They should have a public spectacle of bashing the groups at the top of the pyramid. Maybe get the NFL off season and find some lions and use those stadiums as coliseums?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:13 am 
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
But without single payer, that's literally what happens.
:lol: That didn't even happen before Obamacare.


It did, and take away Medicare(Single Payer) and it would happen to the elderly.
Hospitals cannot turn away someone who is in a life threatening situation. It has been like that my whole life.

Correct.
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I've long supported a health model like Mark Cuban suggested, Government Backed single payer for huge medical catastrophes(cancer, chemo, brain surgery) this would take these expenses off the books of insurers. Day to day medical expenses would still be a free market, competitive with affordable rates, like Auto insurance.
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
JORR thinks every single Muslim is in ISIS


I don't think that. But I do think Islam is a horrible philosophy that is danced around because it is seen not just as a religion, but a minority religion, this despite claiming 1.6 billion adherents. If Islam were something that was created last year by two guys in a basement in Baltimore nobody would have any qualms about saying how horrible it is. Why is it okay to criticize Christians but not Muslims? Why is it okay to think Scientologists are goofy but not Muslims?

Anyway, I think I score liberal points for not supporting a religion that makes women walk around in bags and suggests throwing homosexuals off of buildings.

All religions should be mocked if they engage in mockable acts.



But at this point in time that statement comes off somewhat like "all lives matter".

Mmm not really. Because Im not trying to shush you or put down your cause. I understand that Islamic terrorism is a bigger problem than Christian terrorism currently. Im just saying Im good with criticizing all of it.

And you specifically made the comparison. If you would have left out Christians I would have said "i have no problem mocking Islam"


You wont find many All Lives Matter guys who will say "go ahead and punish the bad cops" without some bullshit about how hard their jobs are or how their only job is to get home at night etc


That's "Blue Lives Matter", isn't it? :lol:

Same guys.

Except the guys who keep it real and literally say Black Lives DONT matter
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pittmike wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
JORR thinks every single Muslim is in ISIS


I don't think that. But I do think Islam is a horrible philosophy that is danced around because it is seen not just as a religion, but a minority religion, this despite claiming 1.6 billion adherents. If Islam were something that was created last year by two guys in a basement in Baltimore nobody would have any qualms about saying how horrible it is. Why is it okay to criticize Christians but not Muslims? Why is it okay to think Scientologists are goofy but not Muslims?

Anyway, I think I score liberal points for not supporting a religion that makes women walk around in bags and suggests throwing homosexuals off of buildings.

All religions should be mocked if they engage in mockable acts.


But I cringe at the Christian victim thing. It goes right along with the Men's rights folks and the people who say "white people get the shaft"


You are right. They should have a public spectacle of bashing the groups at the top of the pyramid. Maybe get the NFL off season and find some lions and use those stadiums as coliseums?

First off I didn't say to run anyone down. I said it's ridiculous to complain about your skin color and gender holding you back when your skin color and gender are indisputably the two with the least hurdles.


People rightfully make fun of "check your privilege" and it is a pompous way of saying it but there are seemingly a ton of people who fail to see the inherent advantages of being white and male.


That doesnt mean you're a millionaire with zero problems.
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Caller Bob wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
But without single payer, that's literally what happens.
:lol: That didn't even happen before Obamacare.


It did, and take away Medicare(Single Payer) and it would happen to the elderly.
Hospitals cannot turn away someone who is in a life threatening situation. It has been like that my whole life.


They are only required to stabilize people to a certain level. But someone with cancer and no insurance can rot to death without insurance.

That is significantly different than having them die on the street. There is too much else going on to get into end of life care and expenses in single payer though.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
But without single payer, that's literally what happens.
:lol: That didn't even happen before Obamacare.


It did, and take away Medicare(Single Payer) and it would happen to the elderly.
Hospitals cannot turn away someone who is in a life threatening situation. It has been like that my whole life.


They are only required to stabilize people to a certain level. But someone with cancer and no insurance can rot to death without insurance.

That is significantly different than having them die on the street. There is too much else going on to get into end of life care and expenses in single payer though.


So what is your solution to someone with cancer and no insurance?
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JORR hates Muslims, women, and trade schools.

Rick hates government, poor people, and logic.

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Both are academic liberals. That isn't a put down.

I consider myself pretty liberal but when I see some people living it, I don't think that could be my existence. I admire them and am ashamed of myself but not enough to follow them.

I'm not even talking about the ANTIFA types nor the professional protestors.

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Both are academic liberals. That isn't a put down.

I consider myself pretty liberal but when I see some people living it, I don't think that could be my existence. I admire them and am ashamed of myself but not enough to follow them.

I'm not even talking about the ANTIFA types nor the professional protestors.


Me too.

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Both are academic liberals. .


So is Joe Walsh
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dolphin is right, though. It's not like any of us are working in soup kitchens.

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So what is your solution to someone with cancer and no insurance?


Another fuckin libtard lookin to the govermnent to save you from ure own poor lifestyle choices. If u don't want cancer then work harder and don't get it.

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Don't be an idiot.

That's a badge of honor.

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So what is your solution to someone with cancer and no insurance?

That depends. If they truly couldn't afford insurance the government should provide it. If they could afford it and chose to spend it on other things then they made their choice.

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Both are academic liberals. That isn't a put down.

I consider myself pretty liberal but when I see some people living it, I don't think that could be my existence. I admire them and am ashamed of myself but not enough to follow them.

I'm not even talking about the ANTIFA types nor the professional protestors.

Don't you ever call me an academic again.

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So what is your solution to someone with cancer and no insurance?

If they truly couldn't afford insurance the government should provide it. .


I knew I could get you to come around!
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So what is your solution to someone with cancer and no insurance?

That depends. If they truly couldn't afford insurance the government should provide it. If they could afford it and chose to spend it on other things then they made their choice.


Wow.

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So what is your solution to someone with cancer and no insurance?

That depends. If they truly couldn't afford insurance the government should provide it. If they could afford it and chose to spend it on other things then they made their choice.


Wow.

I'd rather not buy any insurance. Shouldn't I have to deal with it if I choose not to?

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So what is your solution to someone with cancer and no insurance?

That depends. If they truly couldn't afford insurance the government should provide it. If they could afford it and chose to spend it on other things then they made their choice.


Wow.


The burrito liberal in me is fine with that...I doubt someone with cancer has 300K sitting around for chemo, so they will be covered.
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So what is your solution to someone with cancer and no insurance?

That depends. If they truly couldn't afford insurance the government should provide it. If they could afford it and chose to spend it on other things then they made their choice.


Wow.

I'd rather not buy any insurance. Shouldn't I have to deal with it if I choose not to?


Generally, yes, but I find it hard to take that stance with someone's life.

Nice attempt at a gotcha, though.

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Total hypocrite. But the goverment SHOULD get involved by sending DARE back to schools. Sorry I'll educate my kids about drugs at home and you can save your fucking Reagan bullshit drug program which has been a symbol of minority oppression for decades.
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dolphin is right, though. It's not like any of us are working in soup kitchens.


I help give out food boxes at the Salvation Army does that count?

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I help give out food boxes at the Salvation Army does that count?


Yes, you flaming libtard.

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So what is your solution to someone with cancer and no insurance?

That depends. If they truly couldn't afford insurance the government should provide it. If they could afford it and chose to spend it on other things then they made their choice.


Wow.

I'd rather not buy any insurance. Shouldn't I have to deal with it if I choose not to?


Generally, yes, but I find it hard to take that stance with someone's life.

Nice attempt at a gotcha, though.
It wasn't a gotcha. You are always in trouble if you choose not to have insurance for something and the worst case scenario happens. With this, it was getting cancer before the age of 65 when you could have afforded to have insurance and made a choice not to. I don't view it as any more heartless than someone choosing not to have homeowners insurance who then has his house burn down. I feel really badly for the person but it also is why you choose to have insurance.

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