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When the Chicago to St. Louis railroad was being torn up and replaced to accommodate high-speed rail, Amtrak dropped ticket prices to next to nothing and put you on a bus from either Bloomington or Springfield on down. The bus was faster than the train was, the only downside was I didn't have an outlet to plug in my laptop and watch Simpsons DVDs.

Amtrak is a mess, but I can't condemn the entirety of rail travel because I'm an autistic freak and I am required by international law to be obsessed with trains. I'm not too bullish on intercity rail, which sounds like a nightmare, but they should concentrate on making travel in the Northeast Corridor and routes to major cities around Chicago pleasant, convenient, and affordable. I mean, flying to St. Louis, that's just silly.

I loved trains as well when I was a kid, but there simply is no place for an intercity train anywhere outside of the NE, where the proximity of cities makes it effective. Heck, that NE corridor is one of the few lines Amtrak operates at a profit. Long distance trains like the Empire Builder, Autotrain, etc. need to be put out to pasture. Amtrak should instead keep a few highly traveled corridors

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When the Chicago to St. Louis railroad was being torn up and replaced to accommodate high-speed rail, Amtrak dropped ticket prices to next to nothing and put you on a bus from either Bloomington or Springfield on down. The bus was faster than the train was, the only downside was I didn't have an outlet to plug in my laptop and watch Simpsons DVDs.

Amtrak is a mess, but I can't condemn the entirety of rail travel because I'm an autistic freak and I am required by international law to be obsessed with trains. I'm not too bullish on intercity rail, which sounds like a nightmare, but they should concentrate on making travel in the Northeast Corridor and routes to major cities around Chicago pleasant, convenient, and affordable. I mean, flying to St. Louis, that's just silly.

Do you have a Lionel set, too? The one I got as a kid still works--it is around my Christmas tree right now. Best gift ever.


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When the Chicago to St. Louis railroad was being torn up and replaced to accommodate high-speed rail, Amtrak dropped ticket prices to next to nothing and put you on a bus from either Bloomington or Springfield on down. The bus was faster than the train was, the only downside was I didn't have an outlet to plug in my laptop and watch Simpsons DVDs.

Amtrak is a mess, but I can't condemn the entirety of rail travel because I'm an autistic freak and I am required by international law to be obsessed with trains. I'm not too bullish on intercity rail, which sounds like a nightmare, but they should concentrate on making travel in the Northeast Corridor and routes to major cities around Chicago pleasant, convenient, and affordable. I mean, flying to St. Louis, that's just silly.

Do you have a Lionel set, too? The one I got as a kid still works--it is around my Christmas tree right now. Best gift ever.

I literally had one it was an Amtrak HO scale

Unlike real Amtraks, it generally stayed upright.

There's a fun backstory on how I afforded it. During the Beanie Baby craze, there was a tiger BB giveaway at a Detroit Tigers game at old Tiger Stadium. We went because the Sox in town, but my brother and I had 2 beanie babies from the gate and some guy was going around offering people $50 for each of them. My brother and I sold from them without a second thought. I used that money to buy the set. I think those beanie babies are worth $2 now. That was almost the best part of the game if it wasn't for the fact Frank was killing the ball that day. Seeing him drive those long balls was still better than selling a worthless beanie baby for $50

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My Mom has been traveling by train to DC to visit my sister, Mom is 77 and not interested in flying or driving that by herself, but will take Amtrak. I have taken her to the South Bend station two years in a row now, train has been an hour late in both directions every time. But she likes it, so...


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I love trains too. I think it's inevitable they suck though. Good for moving freight but only passengers as a last resort in high density areas.

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I took an Amtrak to a Chicago suburb recently.

It was one minute early arriving.

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@: The train accident that just occurred in DuPont, WA shows more than ever why our soon to be submitted infrastructure plan must be approved quickly. Seven trillion dollars spent in the Middle East while our roads, bridges, tunnels, railways (and more) crumble! Not for long!


Ummm, yeah. The derailment occurred on a section of track that opened today.

he's an idiot.

What's funny is people on the left are also blaming this on the lack of infrastructure spending. Dumbasses on both sides.


Let's never loss sight of this. Contempt for Trump does not equate to a like of Hillary. They both should spend quality time in North Korea with Dear Leader.

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tommy wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
When the Chicago to St. Louis railroad was being torn up and replaced to accommodate high-speed rail, Amtrak dropped ticket prices to next to nothing and put you on a bus from either Bloomington or Springfield on down. The bus was faster than the train was, the only downside was I didn't have an outlet to plug in my laptop and watch Simpsons DVDs.

Amtrak is a mess, but I can't condemn the entirety of rail travel because I'm an autistic freak and I am required by international law to be obsessed with trains. I'm not too bullish on intercity rail, which sounds like a nightmare, but they should concentrate on making travel in the Northeast Corridor and routes to major cities around Chicago pleasant, convenient, and affordable. I mean, flying to St. Louis, that's just silly.

Do you have a Lionel set, too? The one I got as a kid still works--it is around my Christmas tree right now. Best gift ever.


I have one somewhere. I loved it, my uncle built us tables. His set was amazing.

My wife rides the train into burbs from time to time. Took it out east a bunch of times this year. She seemed to mostly like it. Not saying it’s great or anything, I’m a driver type person who hates flying but it serves a purpose.


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Me and my stash approve of train travel.

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One regret is that I never took my sons on a train to Seattle or San Francisco to actually see the country. But yeah, outside of the northeast, say the New South cities/Florida and the cities of Texas, it seems more like a nostalgic yearning rather than sensible economic investment.

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Yeah, I don't hate flying like a '90s stand-up comic, but I deal with it. I would not want to fly to, say, Detroit. That's a lot of hurry-up-and-wait and getting my balls felt up just to fly 45 minutes. However, I would fly to Los Angeles 100 times out of 100 rather than take a train. What would compel someone to do a thing like that?

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Yeah, I don't hate flying like a '90s stand-up comic, but I deal with it. I would not want to fly to, say, Detroit. That's a lot of hurry-up-and-wait and getting my balls felt up just to fly 45 minutes. However, I would fly to Los Angeles 100 times out of 100 rather than take a train. What would compel someone to do a thing like that?


Irrational fear of flying.


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I mean, I guess there's "seeing America," but most of America isn't really worth seeing. It's mostly soybeans and billboards that still say Obama is a gay Muslim who loves abortions. I've seen Florida by interstate and I never want to again.

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I mean, I guess there's "seeing America," but most of America isn't really worth seeing. It's mostly soybeans and billboards that still say Obama is a gay Muslim who loves abortions. I've seen Florida by interstate and I never want to again.


True but the abrupt change 50 miles east of Denver and the rest of the ride west or the 100 miles north of New Orleans are the exceptions in my book.

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Oh, 50 miles east of Denver? I see you've been to their airport too.

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Oh, 50 miles east of Denver? I see you've been to their airport too.


Yeah, but my parents had a dedicated desire to drive us through 43 of the contiguous 48.

Pain, then pleasure. And that was before the abomination that was Denver's then new airport.

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One regret is that I never took my sons on a train to Seattle or San Francisco to actually see the country. But yeah, outside of the northeast, say the New South cities/Florida and the cities of Texas, it seems more like a nostalgic yearning rather than sensible economic investment.

I thought they were trying to sell us on something about trains being more environmentally friendly?

I love driving, anyway.


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I’ve driven a lot of this country’s highways between the Mississippi and the Rocky’s and there are things to see if that is what you want to see but sometimes you have to look for things with an open mind. I’m a fool for scenic stuff though and when you catch good light even western Kansas and it’s sand hills has something to offer. If the fng wind doesn’t blow you to Nebraska.


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I’ve driven a lot of this country’s highways between the Mississippi and the Rocky’s and there are things to see if that is what you want to see but sometimes you have to look for things with an open mind. I’m a fool for scenic stuff though and when you catch good light even western Kansas and it’s sand hills has something to offer. If the fng wind doesn’t blow you to Nebraska.


Western Iowa and parts of Nebraska surprised me, but gems like the Badlands were hands down awesome

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The loes Hills of Southwest Iowa are beautiful. Just try to ignore the methampetamine problem and the rampant unemployment. As a child my parents once admonished me to find the beauty or the good in where I was (probably when I was bitching about being in Southwest Iowa.) and I’ve tried to take it to heart.


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I’ve driven a lot of this country’s highways between the Mississippi and the Rocky’s and there are things to see if that is what you want to see but sometimes you have to look for things with an open mind. I’m a fool for scenic stuff though and when you catch good light even western Kansas and it’s sand hills has something to offer. If the fng wind doesn’t blow you to Nebraska.


Western Iowa and parts of Nebraska surprised me, but gems like the Badlands were hands down awesome

agree with everything here. anywhere outside of chicago and its suburbs is pretty interesting to me. i get as much out of driving around illinois than i do driving anywhere else.


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Rail companies had a huge issue with faulty concrete ties a few years ago. They come from 3rd party vendors. That vendor got tossed but the damage was done.


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I’ve driven a lot of this country’s highways between the Mississippi and the Rocky’s and there are things to see if that is what you want to see but sometimes you have to look for things with an open mind. I’m a fool for scenic stuff though and when you catch good light even western Kansas and it’s sand hills has something to offer. If the fng wind doesn’t blow you to Nebraska.


Western Iowa and parts of Nebraska surprised me, but gems like the Badlands were hands down awesome

agree with everything here. anywhere outside of chicago and its suburbs is pretty interesting to me. i get as much out of driving around illinois than i do driving anywhere else.


Driving down I-80 would be nice but for the ever present speed traps starting 75 miles east of the Mississippi.

And I still can't believe how severe the drop is from the interstate down to the actual river. But it's cool too.

But I hate driving through the rest of Illinois, except maybe the west and south of Springfield.

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Rail companies had a huge issue with faulty concrete ties a few years ago. They come from 3rd party vendors. That vendor got tossed but the damage was done.


But if big semi private donations from vendors like that weren't exposed and their flaws litigated we wouldn't have many of the problems. Thanks Citizens United! (In part)

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I loved trains as well when I was a kid, but there simply is no place for an intercity train anywhere outside of the NE, where the proximity of cities makes it effective. Heck, that NE corridor is one of the few lines Amtrak operates at a profit. Long distance trains like the Empire Builder, Autotrain, etc. need to be put out to pasture. Amtrak should instead keep a few highly traveled corridors

Amen to that -- this comparison between Europe and the US typically fails to keep this proximity issue in consideration (and corresponding population density issues are overlooked). It is great for New England because of the proximity of the cities, but it doesn't scale. I worked with a guy from Boston who once took his family to Boston via the train as a "fun trip" and it was like a two day "adventure" which the "kids hated" -- granted, this was before smart phones were around, but I did kind of feel for the guy -- he had four or five kids and trying to save airfare money. It is just too slow and ineffective for long distances.

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not sure your going to need 20 NTSB investigators for this one, curve in track posted at 30 mph... train was traveling 81 MPH before curve...


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American rail travel doesn't need to be 240 mph bullets whizzing around everywhere to be useful. What it cannot be is a deathtrap. It's ridiculous that it's more dangerous to take the train in the USA than fly commercial.

The TGV is impossibly fast. When you see one you cannot believe it's real the way it moves across the horizon. It looks like a special effect in a movie. They have NEVER had a fatal accident. Since 1981 they have been running them and not one person has died in any sort of crash or incident.

The fact that we cannot get a train other than the Acela to break 100mph is bad enough, but to also not be able to move people safely on almost 200 year old technology? Give me a fucking break.


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not sure your going to need 20 NTSB investigators for this one, curve in track posted at 30 mph... train was traveling 81 MPH before curve...

I thought this track and locomotive had PTC installed and running because if it did and this accident still happened, it’s a monumental failure and several heads will roll.

Edit: just read that there wasn’t PTC in effect . Engineer gonna hang for this .

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If I heard it right I thought the track was upgraded and rated for 79mph. I am not sure why there would still be a 35mph sign.

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If I heard it right I thought the track was upgraded and rated for 79mph. I am not sure why there would still be a 35mph sign.

That curve is only 35 though. He should’ve slowed down for it .

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